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Terrance Howard: Black Women Are Antiquated, White Women Represent Progress:Your Red Tails Open Thread

Surprise! Sunday post. So you saw the movie, how was it? Red Tails is on pace to be #2 at the box office, with about 20 mil. Over at Shadow and Act, they are praising God that Red Tails saved Black Cinema. I guess we can expect three or four films next year produced by big studios with all-Black casts. *commence holding breath*

Miraculously or suspiciously, this interview of Terrance Howard and David Oyelowo talking about interracial relationships in Red Tails got buried in the lead up to the film.  First, I'm pro marriage freedom. Marry who you like. But when you basically say that marrying or having sex with a White woman symbolizes "freedom" and progress what does that say about having relationships with Black women?  Yeah, he said it. No, sadly, I'm not exaggerating. 


 All of this hullabaloo over "interracial relationships" is a cheap distraction. This issue isn't marriage and relationships, the issue is CASTING. Why did the Red Tails team GO. OUT. Of. THEIR WAY to avoid casting Black women? And for the Black women that were cast, why were they cut? This is an issue about employment opportunities and quite frankly discrimination by a team that were promoting a movie about the immorality of racial discrimination. If racial discrimination against Black pilots was immoral for the US military, why isn't it equally IMMORAL for the director and writers of Red Tails? Why isn't it equally IMMORAL for these two Black actors to justify the discrimination with a ridiculous answer. And to all of the women saying that there are not women in war movies...  

Did you notice the women in the movie? The mother and the wife. And here's the trailer for Pearl Harbor: Did you notice the women in the movie? Mothers, wives, children. And here is the trailer for The Patriot.. notice anything?

Yeah, in other words in addition to being delusional, you're also liars.

Reader Comments (108)

*slow hand clap*

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered Commentervonnie

I heard that Red Tails was supposed to be a 3 part movie. If that's true I hope they change the cast and who knows they may have actually eventually showed the families of the airman. The reviews are too mixed so I don't see the studio making sequels or prequels.

Blogmother comment:
Please stop selling the lies. THIS MOVIE had three Black actresses who shot footage and they cut them out. It took George Lucas 20 years to make this movie and now you want me to believe that Black women will be included in the next movie?Lie to yourself, but not the rest of us.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterblkchik

Having a relationship with a white women opens you eyes to a whole 'nother realm of possibility? Lord, I've heard it all now. You mean to tell that the men who treated as second class citizens and could see the white people treated as first class citizens WITHOUT EVER LEAVING THE SHORES OF AMERICA never considered any other realm of possibility? Black men of that era couldn't conceive of being free men and having equal rights until being embraced by white women, despite the fact that the vast majority of white women wouldn't even touch them?

Yeah, that commentary was a bit extreme...and delusional. And I'm being as nice as I can about that.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterJamila

My Lord. That clip of those two "men" was unbelievable. I'm sorry Blogmother, but some black folk are truly SICK. Black folks can barely show each other love and acceptance, but these two were so focused on "other". May God help us because so many of us are too far gone.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKim

Blog Mother,

Thank you for speaking the truth about the BS lies getting spread about Red Tails. The creators of the film knew exactly what they were doing when they cut black women out. Once again the black community measures progress by how well Black men are doing and their interest. Black women continue to be ignored yet we are supposed to take our hard earned dollars and support films that deem us unworthy of attention. Ironically the reviews from the film are rather poor. Most are complaining about the poor acting and dialogue.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterThe Moxie Sophic

If I have to wait for black women to be included in this film franchise, then they can similarly wait for my money.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterZoopath

Thank you, Blog Mother for the heads up. It is so unfortuate that such a great subject- The Tuskegee Air Men was smeared by comments like howard's and that other nobody.

IMO, Terrance Howard's 15 minutes was up 10 years ago. Howard has such a huge ego. In the beginning of his career this #itch depended on bw's support. It didn't take long for howard to show his true colors as far as bw are concerned. He said his father is white. OK, so who is his black Mother? He is letting his light eyes go to his head.

Some bm do not realized it but, many of them still need bw's support. Catch back is a mother.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterlois

What is it going to take for black women to wake up about these things??? I actually spoke to a friend about this with a friend and she "is just glad that their story is being told." grrr!

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterLorMarie

$20 million? Those are some weak numbers even for a #2 opening.

Not holding my breath for the $$ to come rolling in for black cinema.

The sad thing is, I've been reading about one of the Tuskegee Airmen's wives, Mildred Carter, who was an accomplished pilot who used to fly her own plane alongside her husband when they were dating.

That story with some awesome music from the jazz greats of the era would have brought in greater numbers at the box office, not a tepid little romance with some Italian woman (the gender breakdown shows that not enough
WHITE women showed up for all their efforts).

What do the movies Titanic and Avatar have in common besides the same director? They both featured a love story at the center of it's action.

When will Black men learn that they are nothing and can't get anywhere without us?

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnxious Black Woman

I think interracial relationships are awesome and it does display a beautiful sense of freedom that I respect because since at a time it was dissallowed and individuals fought for all of us to have the right to embrace whomever we desire. BUT mature conscious people know that its not a freedom 'away from' something bad or 'ordinary' but a freedom 'to' get to know /date someone who may intimately ad positive things to our life regardless of their color. That statement also being true with individuals of same race, but different culture, background, or country of origin. That said, the story of black man and white female getting together and their issues (including the stereotypical angry jealous black woman who doesn't want them together because she can't have a good relationship with a black man) has been done many a time, so that isn't exactly unchartered territory, its been almost 40 years since 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner', 20 yrs since Jungle Fever. For me, I look for uniqueness in the plots of movies that I support, and certain patterns of American Cinema are trite to the extent that by 5 minutes into a movie I can tell what's going to happen with each character. I kind of foresee this one as that type of movie, and feel absolutely no press to see it. People are going to see it out of respect because its about the Tuskegee Airman, and they will be slow to say something bad about it. The best thing we can do is support independent films.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered Commenternu

I don't have issues with interracial relationships either. In the end, you love who you love.

My thing is: it's not really propelling the story in any compelling way. Like I said, there's a better "romance" that could be told through one of the airmen's marriages. The Mildred Carter connection for example.

I don't even know if the relationship in Italy featured in the movie is based in fact or not, but what factual accounts they DO have sound more intriguing than what the writers came up with.

To me, that just spells a deep failure of the imagination. The reason why war stories feature romance at all isn't just to bring women to the theaters to drive up box office numbers. The romance is used to humanize the story.

Knowing how Hollywood has always failed to humanize us as a people, the idea that an interracial pairing is the only way the filmmakers could think of to "humanize" black men is already based in racist thinking (internalized or otherwise).

Apart from the conspiracy against black women, I don't put it past those in power to continue to conspire against the Obamas.

I for one have noticed how, in the Obama years, there has been an increased effort to attack black women's singleness and our physical beauty - at a time when we've got a black president and black first wife. At a time when - whatever you may think of them - the hip-hop community actually has an example of a black married "super couple" in Jay Z and Beyonce.

So, both in the mainstream and in the subculture, we actually have highly visible black marriages, the Tuskegee Airmen in real life had black wives, and the majority of black men and black women are still choosing each other as partners.

Even if Red Tails was only marketing to black folks (which it WAS through the race-baiting tactics), the majority of the audience they marketed to still choose each other as romantic partners, so the interracial romance angle is pointless. I do not know one white woman who was eager to see this film! So, it doesn't even make fiscal sense to include it since George Lucas's white fanboys I doubt would have cared one way or another.

It's a wasted storyline unless, as the actors in the film reveal, they are trying to preach to young black men: leave black women behind and find a white woman.

And seriously, what makes these brothers think their shining example has more weight than our own president or even Jay Z?

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnxious Black Woman

I love surprises and it's great to hear from you on a Sunday. I must admit that reading this made me nauseous...smdh. What does it profit a man to gain the world, but lose his soul? T Howard and his sidekick are blazing fools. The only thing antiquated is their way of thinking. I'm not at all impressed. Oh and btw the only movie I own with him in it, is The Best Man and it's going in the trash tonight.

Please tell me why George Lucas is still being obtuse? He was just on some morning show last week speaking about how the American government has been bought out by the rich. Uh you think George? If you can acknowledge that truth great, now acknowledge the fact that you purposely left black actresses out of this Red Tails production and all the reasons why. Inquiring minds want to know!

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCheri

Everything you said, Anxious Black Woman - everything! Thank you!

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAJ

Colonised minds on display. How pitiful and sad. On the one hand, it's quite ironic that these two fools are talking about "freedom" and "opening eyes" whilst spewing forth evidence of their own mental slavery. On the other hand, they are also pathetically funny; using a bunch of words that clearly don't fit together in a failed effort to sound intelligent. I LOL'ed at their tomfoolery; esp. Howard at the end. A proper pair of idiots, these two!

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered Commenteran observer

I woke up early to get some writing done, and was pleasantly surprised by this post. Frankly, the anger that some BW felt for other BW bringing this up is yet another barometer for me to judge who I need to further distance myself from.

The women who are so mad that this is being pointed out are the ones who ACTUALLY realize how precarious their own standing is with certain men. They're just not ready to admit it yet, even to themselves. If George Lucas is so quick to fund a project where you're erased, then that is tactile admission that in the future, you won't put up a fuss when you're cut again. You don't think these women haven't noticed by now the SILENCE in the black community? That no one is saying that they should have been featured? Oh they're hip alright. They're just hoping against hope that now that there's a movie about good black men, that those good black men will certainly start paying them attention. That ain't gonna happen.

To the silent conflicted reading audience, currently, I haven't seen a pushback from ANY black male group about how we were cut out of the film. All I've seen online is praise that the airmen were depicted as good fighters, and that the Italian girl is hot. I haven't heard comments about how they should have at least shown that black men had families waiting for them, that they weren't just fighting for white america, but for their OWN communities too. No problems with no families or businesses, or homes that they maintained, not being shown. They were completely selfish and non-apologetic with saying, "I don't even care about that, it doesn't matter as long as black men look good". WHY CAN'T MOST OF YA'LL ARGUING NOT WANT TO TAKE A SINGLE MINUTE TO THINK ABOUT THAT?

To the other women mad that some of us are choosing to not spend money on a film project if we don't want to, why can't you see that perhaps selfishness or self-awareness about the portrayal of one's image is a good thing? GLADD is constantly on people about making sure that gays are portrayed in a positive light, and from what I understand, GLEE now has all of these positive gay story lines. I don't watch the show because the only black woman character is overweight and I refuse to support programming where the only black female character is overweight or single. But if anything that is the point. On a "progressive" show with multiple gay story lines, the lone black girl is overweight and single. It's not just about Red Tails.

As for Red Tails, as you can see, when it comes to promoting HIS interests, Terrance Howard is not at all concerned about how this sounds or looks as long as it can be spun to help HIM out. Frankly, the pushback on even asking a question isn't coming from black women who truly believe that this isn't important. They don't want anyone questioning ANYTHING because to do so would mean having to examine their own positions, so to maintain that, EVERYONE needs to go see this movie so they can be excused from critical thinking.

"Obama years, there has been an increased effort to attack black women's singleness and our physical beauty - at a time when we've got a black president and black first wife. " - This right here is why the effort is being ramped up, but the erasure of black women and the degradation of us that is put on display has been going on for decades.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterDailyLattes

There's all kinds of offensiveness in that interview. Mostly, I'm reminded of mra's (mens rights activists) advertising for foreign brides... Black women here are apparently too upidity and white women -- though subservient enough -- are still too racist.

Anyway, been following your most excellent comments on FB, good on ya for seeing through their propaganda.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterm Andrea

Wait, this is coming from the man who JUST accused his non black spouse of being a racist and using racial slurs against HIM and saying she did not want to be the mother of HIS BLACK CHILDREN?

That was stated by Terrance not me.http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45763491/ns/today-entertainment/t/terrence-howard-says-his-estranged-wife-racist/#.Tx2MFIEghKk

When will these people learn that even the kkk got it on and still get it on with people,as in men and women,not of the white race? Interracial relationships are just that.They say nothing about the character of the individual and these relationships say absolutely NOTHING about worlds progress except people finally have the right to do it in America LEGALLY after they had been doing it aaaalllll along. People being allowed to marry/date/screw/ people of a different races does NOT mean they are more ADVANCED than any one who does not.

Leave it to a MAN to sexualize progress and advancement.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterTruth P.

YES @ ALL OF THIS> "All of this hullabaloo over "interracial relationships" is a cheap distraction. This issue isn't marriage and relationships, the issue is CASTING. Why did the Red Tails team GO. OUT. Of. THEIR WAY to avoid casting Black women? And for the Black women that were cast, why were they cut? This is an issue about employment opportunities and quite frankly discrimination by a team that were promoting a movie about the immorality of racial discrimination. If racial discrimination against Black pilots was immoral for the US military, why isn't it equally IMMORAL for the director and writers of Red Tails? Why isn't it equally IMMORAL for these two Black actors to justify the discrimination with a ridiculous answer. And to all of the women saying that there are not women in war movies... "

Let me make myself LOUD AND CLEAR to ALL the black male idiots AND their silly MULES who suggest that I am sensitive about who they screw.

I.D.G.A.F! ABOUT A BLACK MAN AND HIS BELOVED WHITE WOMAN appearing in a movie together.

In fact I actually think that the white lady could have still been in the movie,because we KNOW that there WERE some black men overseas in very white and Asian countries having sex with any and everything,but there were also black women that were factually apart of this story that you hypocritical racist hating a** mofo's don't think there is any problem with not being featured in the film.

May you all CONTINUE to get back all of the racism and hatred that you put out there FOREVER.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterTruth P.

Anxious Black Woman wrote

$20 million? Those are some weak numbers even for a #2 opening.

Not holding my breath for the $$ to come rolling in for black cinema.

Actually, Hollywood was surprised Red Tails did that well at the box office as explained by the movie industry site, Deadline:

Hollywood studios were stunned by how well this George Lucas banner film Red Tails did in matinees Friday. Until they discovered that the Lucasfilm/Twentieth Century Fox marketing inside the African-American community resulted in busloads of midday filmgoers for the Tuskegee Airmen’s true story. Despite fears that this pic appeared frontloaded, it went up a whopping +40% from Friday to Saturday. It boasted an ’A’ CinemaScore from audiences even if historians and critics chide this film as a whitewash.


The surprised look on Hollywood's face is due to many "Black films" opening under $10 million. Examples include Great Debaters:


Or the Civil War film Glory:


So, Red Tails definitely beat predictions.

Another industry site Box Office Mojo adds that Red Tails exceeded expectations when ias a fighter pilot film:

Red Tails cruised in to second place with a very respectable $19.1 million. That's above comparable fighter pilot movies Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow ($15.6 million), Stealth ($13.3 million), and Flyboys ($6 million), though it was about even with Sky Captain in estimated attendance. The audience breakdown was 51 percent male and 66 percent 25 years and older. The movie received an "A" CinemaScore, which improved to a fantastic "A+" score for those below 18 and above 50. Also of note: Red Tails marks distributor 20th Century Fox's best opening for a non-franchise title since last April's Rio.


So, expect the George Lucas as well as the Red Tails cast to be doing cartwheels this morning.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterFred

Don't mind ol' BabyWipes - nothing that comes out of that man's mouth has ever made sense; he is a joke.

But more importantly, DailyLattes said:

"If George Lucas is so quick to fund a project where you're erased, then that is tactile admission that in the future, you won't put up a fuss when you're cut again. "

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. The Black women coming out in droves to support RedTails really need to digest and understand this.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterNia

I knew it would only be a matter of time before Fred showed up to raise the roof about RedTails. Dude, let it go. I wish you would stop commenting here. If there was some way to block my having to read your posts I would have ages ago.

On topic, the thing that kills me the most about Terrance Howard is that he hates Black people so much, but always wants to portray the worst Negro ever! Like dregs of the earth type shit. I guess this is more of his propaganda to smear us all. Redtails is an unusual departure from his usual pimp and lowlife roles.

Also, he cant even act, this is why he was booted from the Iron Man sequels, in addition to thinking that his non acting ass deserved more $$ than they were willing to pay, and why that Law & Order LA failed. This dude is unbelievable in anything he plays in.

We Black women are not ready to lay down, we aint ready to make nice. And we aint begging you for nada either.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterMikey Tandino

Wait stop. This fool said Mental Quagmire. Umm really? As illustrated below, that doesnt even make sense. Also world accepting type film…? Yeah, youre a sharp one, Mr Grinch.

1. of or pertaining to the mind: mental powers; mental suffering.
2. of, pertaining to, or affected by a disorder of the mind: a mental patient; mental illness.
3. providing care for persons with disordered minds, emotions, etc.: a mental hospital.
4. performed by or existing in the mind: mental arithmetic; a mental note.
5. pertaining to intellectuals or intellectual activity.
6. Informal . slightly daft; out of one's mind; crazy: He's mental.

1. an area of miry or boggy ground whose surface yields under the tread; a bog.
2. a situation from which extrication is very difficult: a quagmire of financial indebtedness.
3. anything soft or flabby

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterMikey Tandino

great post I agree 100%, it is discrimination and that interview says it all...

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterpumpkin

"It's a wasted storyline unless, as the actors in the film reveal, they are trying to preach to young black men: leave black women behind and find a white woman."

THIS right here. This is the main reason these movies, TV shows, and commercials, and all other ads are being made and promoted the way they are. It's not about getting white people into theaters. It's about converting young Black male minds into hatred against Black women and girls. And about causing young Black girls to develop a sense of self-loathing and low worth and to have Black women doubt themselves.

Someone else said it right when she pointed out that we should all take heed of the fact that not a single Black man has spoken out against the propaganda being pushed, and the damage to Black women and the Black community as a whole.

Black women need to recognize that a new GENDER-BASED RACISM has crept into the Black community, initiated by the white power structure, meekly accepted by Black women to afraid to lose the little they have, and promoted by Black men, promoted by Black men, promoted by Black men (needs to be said more than once).

And yes, I used a blanket statement of "Black men, instead of some Black men, because the lack of outcry among them, their silence about the onslaught against Black women, is tantamount to acceptance of it.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAJ

It shows that Howard is mentally sick, because while he is talking about the wonders and joy of white women over Black women, his own marriage to a white woman fell apart spectacularly, with him claiming to every news outlet that she was a racist who absolutely hated Black people. LOL.

Of course, we all know that Terrance Howard is a jerk, a woman-beater, and a liar. And he's mot mixed - he has some white ancestry, but not directly through either his mother or father, just like most Black people in America. He's a wannabe, and his diabolic viewpoint to convert young Black boys against their own race is dangerous and yes, a very colonized mindset).

If you actually love someone that's fine. But this intentional effort to push Black women to a lower status, in order for Black men to feel as if they can rule over Black women, is evil, IMO, especially when they want us to play 2nd class citizen to, in all honesty, women that we had to fight so hard against for centuries to gain our basic human rights.

Real talk, sorry, but the truth is that white women were just as involved in the subjugation of Black people in America as white men, and it's horrible that too many of our men, in collusion with Big Media, now want to end all of the hard fought gains we made, and relegate us to less than them.

As someone said at another blog after detailing how Aaron McGruder's uses extremely racist terms towards Black women in the Boondocks, "I’m not one who feels any obligation to help the ascension of racists simply because they are Black.""

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAJ

"Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". I guess these two have never heard this old proverb.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterLMH

It's really funny, because in England, Black women are the most desired. I see them as the female leads in movies and on the telly all the time. White guys love them, find them the most exotic and exciting. It's not a 'racial' thing at all, it's just a cultural thing. We need to fix the cultures in order to integrate more fully.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterFelicianomiko

Ummm really...I have yet to see white people put this much energy into downplaying a white movie as WE DO...we sit and watch and do nothing and then criticize someone else for having the guts to do it...this movie is about the Tuskegee Airmen...how the hell are we allowing so much distraction from THAT to talk about the never ending issue of interracial marriage/relationship/dating/etc...who cares...and who the hell is still listening to Terrence Howard...really? see the movie or dont...this gets too sickening...

On another note...I've heard good reviews about the movie...so have a moment and go do something besides clog up the internet with this buffoonery right here...

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterT Mac

I just watched the clip and all I can say is WTF ? I vote with my wallet. & will not support this dreck. What an insult to the true Tuskegee Airmen. I thank God my patient, who was a TA isn't alive to see this crap. Wake up ladies. . .quid pro quo. Support those who support you. I'm happy for Melody, but she & Georgie won't get $$ from me when I'm left on the cutting room floor. Oh & btw, if I was George's chick he would have had hell to pay if he cut women who looked like me out of his film. Luc Besson wrote Colombiana & who was the star? A woman who looks like his wife. . .a black woman. 'Nuff said.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterSisterlocgirl

Just saw this wonderful article on CNN about the Tuskegee "First Couple"

Herbert Carter, Mildred Hemmons courted during his Tuskegee cadet training
She was the first female black pilot in Alabama
He was among original 33 Tuskegee pilots, eventually rose to lieutenant colonel
Married nearly 70 years, the two were known as Tuskegee's "first couple"


You mean they couldnt have portrayed this relationship in Red Tails? The 'first couple' of the Tuskegee Airmen instead? I have no words. I'm done. Me done! Me done! Me done! (Voice of little Jamaican Girl from the youtube video)

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterQueenSafira

Well, looks like this is a "black" movie that black people won't be seeing. Would rather watch a Tyler Perry movie TWICE. I don't even like Tyler Perry movies, but that man loves black people and I don't mind giving my money to him.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterRee

I had a whole to say but felt , it wouldn't have mattered, Support Red Tails, It's about actual heroes of war at their time at the war when their white counterparts deemed them inferior. Great movie.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterTrevor

My brother forwarded that CNN story to me earlier, that really would be something to see on the big or small screen!!!

Of course it would probably star Morris Chesnut and Gabrielle Union :-)

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered Commentertusk91

I am so glad that i did'n't join the crowd and spend money on this movie! Knowing that Terrance was in it was enough to keep me away. This is the same man that lamented the fact that even though he has so many other ethnic backgrounds, he relegated to playing Black characters.. Besides, unlike others, I know my Black history

I don't have a problem with interracial relationships, I've dated outside of my race. The problem is when many Black men (not all) do it, they feel the need to put down their Black sisters. White and Asian men do not do this.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterMs Anon

That interview was so incoherent, I didn't understand what either man was trying to convey, especially Terrance.

Anyway, maybe I've just been oblivious to the Internet boycotts and such, but I hardly think choosing NOT to spend your money to see a film is a "battle" or "boycott" or whatever terms people are using to passively guilt-trip women who choose not to pay to see the movie. Boycotts, as I understand them, have little to nothing to do with individuals deciding how to spend their money. Now if people tried to prevent getting the film produced or distributed...okay, I can see that being a boycott. Because then, there is a concerted effort to keep others from exercising their options. But choosing not to see it? Hell, by that logic, I've boycotted and fought battles in all manner of ways. Today, I boycotted Target by choosing not to buy strawberries. I've boycotted any major film studio when I opted not to see a released movie. Who knew?

I know people who went to see it, and I respect their decision. The end. I find the reaction to women expressing their option NOT to see this, particularly by other black women, very interesting indeed. And not in a good way.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterDaphne

Blogmother, the dude at Shadow and Act is being sarcastic. I thought he was down with it until his latest post.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterrocknrollsista

i think these quotes fit well with this clip:

“Every time I embrace a black woman I’m embracing slavery, and when I put my arms around a white woman, well, I’m hugging freedom. The white man forbade me to have the white woman on pain of death…. I will not be free until the day I can have a white woman in my bed. ” – eldridge cleaver

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterpumpkin

@pumpkin, please tell me this quote is a joke. and isn't eldridge cleaver the same man who said he raped black women for domination, and raped white women for practice? I think he also later went and joined the republican party - LOL. Go figure

January 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAJ

Mildred Carter was the name I thought. Is Mildred Hemmons her other name? And yes, yes, yes! That would have been the movie to make.

Of course, as a writer and director, you'd have to first WANT a black woman in the story.

January 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnxious Black Woman

@ AJ unfortunately it's not a joke, you can read more about Cleaver's delusions of grandeur in his book Soul on Ice

January 24, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterpumpkin

Mikey Tandino wrote:

I knew it would only be a matter of time before Fred showed up to raise the roof about RedTails. Dude, let it go.

I was responding to Anxious Black Woman's comment that Red Tails' opening was "weak." Just because she isn't interested in the film doesn't negate that it did well went compared to Black films or fighter pilot films.

As for the clip, the actors are correct that the Tuskegee Airmen being embraced by Whites overseas made them SERIOUSLY question the Jim Crow status quo in America. Other Black Americans who engaged in the war effort in Europe like Josephine Baker had similar experiences.

Unfortunately, the actors in the clip especially Terrence Howard go off the rails by saying Black airmen being able to date White women was a step up. There is a world of difference between dating someone because you are in love and dating someone only based on appearance, including skin color. Howard falls in the latter category, which isn't wise at all.

January 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterFred

I've been talking to several friends on my FB wall for an hour and a half and I'm amazed only a small few see it as a problem that there are no African women in Red Tails. One particular male friend got quiet when I mentioned several times the film had no African women in it. Gee, he's a happily married father of three daughters under 10, so I wonder why? When I mentioned the sister Mildred, he just stayed quiet. :(

January 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterRevmamaafrika

I saw the movie and liked it. That being said, war movies are best when there's no love story at all. That's why Saving Private Ryan is one of my favorites. No sappy love interest to drag things down.

January 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterDJ Sniper

I was radio channel-surfing on my way to work yesterday (Monday) and heard Tom Joyner and his sidekicks talking about Red Tails and how it had done at the box office. Tom then mentioned that there was actually a movement afoot among certain black women to boycott the movie because there were no black women in it (this was said incredulously). Tom's female sidekick stated she had a problem with there being no black women in the movie, but his male sidekick (I think he's the comedian Jay Anthony Brown) expressed his disdain that anyone could be concerned about the lack of black women in the movie, and actually said that black men had their movie moment in Red Tails and black women already had their movie moment in The Help! Yes, he actually said this, even though The Help had black men in the movie. He actually equated a movie presenting AA men as heroes to a movie presenting AA women as the help.

And while I'm glad that Viola Davis has been nominated for an Oscar for her role in The Help (and I hope she does win), it's just a tad ironic that if she wins, it would be for playing the same role as Hattie McDaniels did when she won her Oscar (i.e., a maid). The more things change, the more they stay the same.

January 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterSandra77

I can't stand Terrence Howard so I'm not surprised. He puts his foot in his mouth every time, and this is just another example. He hasn't given a black woman the time of the day so therefore, I would regard everything he says with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, this posting is making me think twice about seeing "Red Tails."

January 24, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterPiper


wow...The Help really...pathetic that people see such a big issue with putting in a simple scene with a Black woman? This is beyond incredible to me.I don't think anyone was asking for a huge part of the movie to be about Black women, but for some reason a Black woman asking for some respect and simple representation within her own racial/cultural group equates to some huge boycott, anti-black man conspiracy. That's disturbing to me.

January 25, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterpumpkin

@Sandra77, your last paragraph really, really said it all! :(

January 25, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterrevmamaafrika

Wow. Pumpkin that Cleaver quote said it all. When will black men learn that just because you can get a white woman doesn't make you white and it doesn't put you in control of anything.

The larger power structure learned aroung the late '60s and early '70s that if you throw us a few crumbs we will back down. Apparently the only thing white men had to do was toss a few of the extra lower-class, working-class and middle-class white women from their stash to a few black men and those brothers thought they had arrived.

Meanwhile white men still control industry, politics, finance and the very image black people are allowed to project of themselves. If you notice the white families with the largest fortunes and power still marry white. They may experiment with other races but white powerful money still marries white powerful money and when it looks like they may stray, even to a minority with money,...well all I can say is Princess Di and the tunnel in France. (That may be a little conspiracy theory for some but just think if her son, the future white king of England, the dark-skinned, Muslim man she was dating as a step-father.)

However we don't have to stray into speculation to make this point. Look at our own country. Yes a black man is in the white house but even he had to have a predominantly white family upbringing and influence to be acceptable. And now that he is in he even can't come out openly support programs aimed directly at uplifing black people for fear of upsetting his white backers. Who is really in control?

January 25, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterBee

I think the bigger issue is that we are now seeing an obvious trend of Black male racists working in collusion with the established racists in Hollywood to basically "eliminate" BW from history and public perception. To me, that's dangerous propaganda that BW are being asked to swallow. I think the time is now to organize and fight this, or I predict worse things to come only a few years down the line.

January 25, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterHey There!

As far as trends go the very same thing was said long ago about black woman when "The Color Purple" came out followed up by the tv mini series "The Woman of Brewster's place. I remember a lot of brothers complaining about how Oprah was working with the white Hollywood power structure to label and perpetuate a stereotype of Black men. I also remember how Oprah added a more positive brother based on that criticism for the tv series that got canceled for "Brewster's Place".

Of course now a days the same is said about movies like "Precious" and "For Colored Girls"...

January 25, 2012 | Unregistered Commentertusk91

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