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Jan182012

CONFIRMED: Jazmine Sullivan EDITED OUT of Red Tails- TOLDJA SO!

I'm breaking my posting rules and posting twice today... because I know it will annoy and flummox the Black Thought Police who have been defening the erasure of Black women from the Red Tails movie and demanding the Black women support the movie without question. 

No, it wasn't all in our "imagination." Jazmine Sullivan, the Black actress on the IMDb profile page that everyone has been using to declare that Black women are indeed in the movie has tweeted that she was EDITED OUT of the movie. Via Twitter:

Shout out to the cast of redtails! Just so u know I was edited out of the final version... But please still support! I heard its great!! Jazmine Sullivan

 

I'm not saying there was a CONSPIRACY, I'm just saying....

I suspected that the lack of Black women was INTENTIONAL... well, it doesn't get more INTENTIONAL than removing scenes that actually existed. 

Reader Comments (34)

Yea, that is a little sad that they took her out of the final version.. I suspect what will happen is that ticket sales will suffer due to many whites not having an interest in this story. In the Black community the majority of the movie goers are Black woman and to have them so minimized in a movie about Black people and Black hero's will prove a tragic flaw.

I think that this will be one for the books and one talked about for a long time of what could and should have been done better. I don't place all the blame on the Black writers, some of that blame has to fall on the money man Lucas...

I myself will still be there with bells on because I have been waiting for a Big screen adaptation about the Tuskegee Airmen since I first heard about them.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered Commentertusk91

Not surprised AT. ALL.

I will go out of my way not to suport this movie. It's really disappointing because my grandfather was affiliated with the Tuskegee Airmen. He served in WWII as an airplane mechanic. He kept the Red Tails flying. It wuuld have been nice to be able to support it in his honor. I asked my grandmother if my grandfather ever went overseas, and she said, "No baby. Your grandfather was busy fighting the War of Alabama." It seems like alot of foks forgot about that.

Oh well, I'll just have to get a copy of "The Tuskegee Airmen" and call it a day.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterMommieDearest

WOW.

That's unfortunate.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterToni

To all the "This is the gateway movie for all Black casted films" folks I say... PWA HA HA HA HA!

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterMikey Tandino

I am not surprised at all.

There was never anything about the making or marketing of this film that ever implied that they would include the importance of black women in the lives of these men. The black men that sat by and allowed this to happen just so that they could get their shine on are who they have always been. Disingenuous non-factors in ever effectively ensuring that they show respect for themselves and their female counterparts.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterTrulyPC

Hmph. I was going to take my grand daughter .. she wants to go to the AF academy and be a pilot. Would have thought Lucas's long-time lady (Melody Hobson) might have passed him a clue. :(

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterarthur

I'm not surprised. If I ever see this film it will be the bootleg version.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterVal

Why am I not surprised? So, black guys get to fly around in bomber pilots while black women (according to the latest rumors about Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained) get exhibited naked, on the auction block, and repeatedly raped.

What a year in movies 2012 is fast becoming, huh?

The level of misogyny in society at large and Hollywood in particular (still trying to rinse the image of Rooney Mara getting raped in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo from MY mind, see what happens when folks tell you there's a new "feminist" film out in theaters?) is so deep, and the racism makes it ten times worse for us as black women.

What I wish folks would really have a conversation about is WHEN, WHERE, and HOW revolutionary films that cast us - not necessarily in "positive" light but simply in humane forms - can get better circulation, dissemination, and distribution.

That a wealthy and well-placed Hollywood filmmaker like George Lucas still thinks he can use "scare tactics" to get black folks to the movies (lest Hollywood gets the "message" that nobody cares about black people's stories) is pathetic and downright ABSURD.

Let's get real here. If the BLACK EXPERIENCE in America is sooo limited, so "untranslatable," so non-universal that international audiences can't relate to our stories, then

1. The world would not have come to a stand still when Michael Jackson, the most commercially viable American to date, died on June 25, 2009.
2. The world would NOT have rejoiced in unison when Obama was elected on November 4, 2008.
3. The Civil Rights Movement would NOT have had a domino affect the world over when black folks decided they had had enough of second-class citizen, Jim Crow segregation treatment.
4. Hip Hop as a music (not talking about the commercial sellout hip hop but the grassroots version) would not resonate for so many different communities throughout the world - in Cuba, Brazil, throughout Africa, across Asia, and even in the Middle East.
5. By the same token, neither would jazz, blues, and a host of other black cultural expressions.

IN OTHER WORDS, the Black Experience (whether it be in politics, in music, in literature, in theater, etc.) has been a translatable and universalizing experience the world over - to the point where the U.S. has routinely used black culture to colonize other people's cultures.

If that can be done in other cultural forms, why the heck can't it be done in the movies?

Maybe because, unlike the other cultural forms, in which black folks invented and created those expressions, the movies (just by its very technology remained inaccessible to the masses) were created by a bunch of bigots (think Birth of a Nation).

And yet, other folks (think Nigeria's Nollywood film industry or India's Bollywood film industry) have taken that same technology and made it work for their own cultural expression. We'll ignore for the moment how we let other other folks appropriate and bastardize our art forms (namely hip hop) but there is no denying of who invented certain expressions and how those same expressions can find an international audience.

And in this era of rapidly available technologies, we have no excuse to do our own kinds of films.

Black folks now need to focus on taking the technology and crafting our own stories and creating new and novel distribution models that can help us find our own audiences who simply want a good story that recognizes our full humanity.

If we don't carve out our own path, we'll still have a bunch of bigwig Hollywood bigots (and the liberals who claim to care about our stories) dictating how and when and where our stories will be shown.

I personally don't care to see Red Tails. At the same time I saw that trailer, I saw another one for a French film about Toussaint L'Ouverture, and what wouldn't I give to see a movie about the Haitian Revolution!

But I know better than to hold my breath for THAT to come to a Hollywood studio near you. I'm more interested in having an international dialogue on how we can get the French-speaking movie distributed over here in the U.S. and how we might use the digital tools at our disposal to get an English subtitled version available and even how we could sponsor our own screenings and where to have such public screenings once we made such a movie accessible.

I'd rather have those kinds of conversations than ones that don't understand why black women may not care to see Red Tails.

At least the Toussaint L'Ouverture trailer shows significant black female characters (knowing full well that there was no Haitian slave uprising without black women as part of the story). Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m415YfsUBQs

Sad, isn't it, that in an era where we have a black president, Hollywood still thinks it can hoodwink us into war propaganda while simultaneously expecting us to come to the theaters under "threat of not seeing" another big budget black movie.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnxious Black Woman

@arthur

You can always take your grand daughter and also talk to her about the role they played in allowing her to pursue her dream. Will be a good opportunity to encourage her to read and or follow up with details left out and details not illuminated in the movie.

There are also currently plenty Black female role models making there living flying....

Link:

http://www.uscg.mil/history/people/McIntosh_Menze_Jeanine.asp

http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2011/02/african-american-history-month-ltjg-lashanda-holmes/

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered Commentertusk91

Why in the world would they take her out of the movie? Cutting out someone who is (most likely) the only Black female in the movie and focusing on the White female love interest is shady as hell. Doing this isn't going to make White and other non-Blacks who initially didn't want to see this movie, suddenly want to see the movie. It also isn't going to make White and other non-Blacks who are going to see the movie, enjoy it even more.

Though this movie is geared towards Black men, Black females will most likely be the majority of black viewers. You may not be saying "Conspiracy," but I am. Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Conspiracy! If this movie tanks then so be it. I'm no longer supporting this movie or George Lucas.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterYoal

@Anxious Black Woman, do you know if the film you mentioned is the same Toussaint L'Ouverture film that Danny Glover had been working for so many years to get made?

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterLb

I'm not sure, LB. I didn't see Danny Glover's names in the credits.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnxious Black Woman

Can anybody confirm if this true?

I just read a comment over at another blog that said it has also been confirmed that Edwina Findley has been cut from Red Tails.

I think she had a cameo appearance as a jazz singer, or something.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAJ

At this point, if they did cut another Black woman, they are oviously reading these blogs and doing it to be evil. Oh well. You must believe someone when they show you who they are.

January 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterMikey Tandino

I wouldn't necessarily see a conspiracy behind this. On the other hand, bw are about the most wronged group in terms of media representation.

Don't spend money on anything that does not advance your interests.

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterbelleafrique

On Martin Luther King day, I was checking out TVone, which started its operations years ago on MLK day. I came across the TV documentary "Fair Game?". The dialogue was about how Black society, as in "black men", have been co-opted from the message of the civil rights and the Black Power movement.

I listened for a while. They spoke about how "our" message was now a commercial one due to what has happened to the Hip Hop culture and mass media.

Duh! Isn't this what we, as black women, were saying all along?

Not one speaker was a black woman and the only time black woman were mentioned was to report that social programs that were aimed at teen black mothers helped reduce the their numbers and helped black girls gain degrees but ignored black boys.

When the producers were putting this doc together, did they say "We can't use her, she's a black woman. We want to hear only from the brothers." Black women are constantly being censored and edited out in order to lower our role in our community. Even from our own kind.

So for black women to be edited out of "Red Tails", I am not surprised.

Black men deserve their props but not at our expense. We need our props too. It actually needs to be a fair game.

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKrisT

Well since there is all this concern for Jazmine Sullivan, pick up her last album Love Me Back. It was a great album that was slept on. In case y'all haven't noticed black RnB singers are also being erased out of popular music

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterblkchik

Well I guess all the hype that Lucas has been putting out about Red Tails was for naught. The reviews on Rotten Tomatoes for the movie are pretty bad. Oh well.

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered Commentersaadiyah

Unbelievable! So now I'm letting the family know to wait for this movie to go to DVD!
I was going to do this boycott solo, but all bets are off now...smdh!!! :(

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCheri

@Anxious Black Woman and LB:

No, the Toussaint film you linked to is not Danny Glover's film; its a French film and, IIFC, the French film hasn't been released yet. As for Glover's Toussaint film, it's supposed to be released in 2013 according the internet movie database. But Glover has had many delays due to funding issues and a less than enthusiastic response from Hollywood, so...

As for red tails, meh. I don't care for the lead actors in the film so I hadn't planned on seeing it. Men who sell their souls are not the type of men I want to pay my $$$ to see onscreen. They are also EXACTLY the type of men who will sell me and mine down the river for screen time.

So, even before I even knew about the absence of Black women I wasn't going to see this film. But, given the leading actors in the film and that Aaron asshat Macgruder is one of the writers, the absence of Black women is no surprise. As someone above said: "You must believe someone when they show you who they are". These same Black men have told you time and again who they are and what they stand for (or don't stand for). Please believe them.

As for Hollywood. What do you expect? These are white people making movies for other white people. They are NOT in the business of making movies for you, Black women, unless it fits into their world-view of you and yours. Do Not. Give. Them. Your. Money. Do not take your children to see their movies. Do not go on dates to see their movies. Do not spend $1 at red box on these movies. And I'm not just talking about red tails. I'm talking about all those "must see" blockbusters, those cutesy rom coms, the scary horror movies, etc, etc., movies. None of it. Use a critical eye and if the movie or t.v. show doesn't have YOUR best interest/image at heart, keep your $$$ in your purse.

Just my 2 cents.

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterreader

Reader has the best post ever. Totally agreed1

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterHey There!

Okay I have to ask...not as some devoted fan of his...but just out of curiosity...what exactly did Aaron McGruder do besides create Boondocks that makes him an anti-Black woman figure.

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterChele Belle

Yeah... I'm officially not seeing this movie now.

January 19, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKitKat

I hesitated to post but I will finally say it. This is about not showing black people as being able to love one another. Our love is only seen as disfunctional. The only love we can have is when the other half of the couple is of another race.

The focus is on downgrading black women for two reasons.

1. They can get away with it. No speaks up for us, not even us. Black men don't speak up in outrage as long as they are getting their's. White men and women don't even care. And we still go and support the thing with our money. Win win for everyone except us.
2. Taking down the mainstay of the black family (the black woman) will eventually eliminate any hope of a strong black community to undermine the larger white power structure.

Here's why:
Traditinally men bring the resources to a family. Women bring the cultural influence. So in any union with a black woman, whether with a black man or white man, she is influencing the children. They will ID as black more likely and marry black or some other person of color and take whatever talents and resources they have into that community. In the the bm/ww union the black man is using his resources to cultivate a family where the offspring will eventually culturally identify more white than black usually. They will in turn mostly marry white too and further distance any resources they have from the larger black community.

They focus on the bm/ww relationship because it is encouraging bm with resources to take those resources out of our race and give it to a woman of another race. The offspring of that union will in turn be culturally influenced

January 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterBee

I 100% co-sign Bee's statement. 100%

January 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAJ

@Bee

There is an agenda, and you NAILED it. Thank you for having your eyes open. Hopefully others will see the light and stop buying into the nonsense that the dominant power structure is selling.

January 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterMommieDearest

Be careful Bee. You are speaking too much truth. You know folks don't like that.

January 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKim

Bee, there you go again, beating me to the punch. I don't know why people can't see these points. Tell it like it is!

January 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterTisha

@Bee: The problem, however is that it's working. Many Black men, in my opinion, are very willing to join in this agenda, and many are thus working against us, and any strong Black power structure.

If the male half of your group are active participants in the agenda to "downgrade black women", and "eliminate any hope of a strong black community",then can we really even consider it an agenda of the white power structure anymore? It seems to me like it's an agenda Black men want to push - disheartening when you become aware that your own men prefer to put you below the very people who were open enemies to you for roughly our entire time in America.

The funny thing is, that the Obama's showed them how to have successful Black power, and gave us the opportunity to understand how to make it work, but it seems most Black men have chosen to ignore this and facilitate this community-destroying path(along with all of the other destructive efforts they have chosen like criminal behavior and violence against BW and other BM).

January 21, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAJ

a couple things:

"Many Black men, in my opinion, are very willing to join in this agenda, and many are thus working against us, and any strong Black power structure."

- black people - men and women - have always been willing to 'ally' with whites to get back or gain some advantage on the 'other'. that's also the same mentality that got us that "free boat ride across the atlantic". the same program unfolds almost every where. interesting though, as the white power structure - helped by a black man named obama - really start putting the boots to people, and seeing the pattern of uprisings in the world, the program to placate, absorb and "de-radicalise" blacks, largely by "occupying" and "pre-empting" black radical thought swings up a notch.

"The Civil Rights Movement would NOT have had a domino affect the world over when black folks decided they had had enough of second-class citizen, Jim Crow segregation treatment."

it did. but it was also part of a de-colonization efforts by colored people around the world. there were pan-african conferences in the early 1900's in which many prominent future leaders meet and exchanged ideas - and built organisations. and not only did were civil rights movements affected by events in india, but by de-colonisation efforts around the world.

to present the american version of the effort as an epicentre is an easily controverted re-writing of history.

"Women bring the cultural influence. So in any union with a black woman, whether with a black man or white man, she is influencing the children. They will ID as black more likely and marry black or some other person of color and take whatever talents and resources they have into that community. In the the bm/ww union the black man is using his resources to cultivate a family where the offspring will eventually culturally identify more white than black usually"

there are more men than black or white, not sure why so many people reproduce that binary. but, this is a very interesting hypothesis. if it is true however, i trust you will start holding black mother's cultural influence responsible for black men marrying non-black women. and so, you must ask yourself, what is it in black female culture that encourages black men to "marry-out"?

maybe the really was something to 'the color ruckus'. lol.

anyway, men and women aren't two distinct or binary things. the actions of one always shape the other. when black men make statements about women with out looking at the men in those women's lives and how they might have had to adapt to them, and when women make accusations about men with out looking at the women in the those men's live and how they's have to adapt to them, then the conversation is already stalled. we make each other.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered Commentergryph

I don't mean to sound harsh, but I don't really care what the "brothers" are doing. I can't control what they're doing anyways and I have no desire to do so. As always, I'll continue to keep them in prayer. Just to piggyback what was said already, we have a rainbow of colors available to us, so let's not limit ourselves to just black and white. I can appreciate everyone's point of view, because based on my own experience, I feel that every comment left here has some validity. My question is however, what are we going to do with this knowledge?

I'm not giving my power away to a few self loathing black men and worldly agendas and neither should you. Real talk, we have to be careful, especially as African American women, as to where we accept our guidance and advice from. Honestly the world has nothing for us, it's sad but true. Notice how, everything we're being fed these days, seems to be what we can do externally (weight loss commercials, re grow your eye lashes, liposuction & chin lifts...really?) to improve on how we feel internally, which is impossible. Our joy, peace, love and happiness should exude from within and it will not come from another purchase, or another person and if so, please trust that it'll only be temporary and short lived.

In all actuality we'll never be able to love ourselves, or someone else fully, until we come to know the love that Jesus Christ has for us. Without which one will never truly have healthy, happy, and fulfilling relationships...ever! Once one discovers His love, they'll automatically begin to tap into that love for self and others, because He transforms us from within. He will bring us perfect peace, yes, even in a world such as this one. Again, I'm just speaking from my own experience.

1 John 4:4-6
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

January 22, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCheri

I guess it's impossible to expect a better result than this strange result. George Lucas, our movie savior, who spent his own money for our movie redemption. Lord and Savior.
While the movie was being hyped, I read a comment by a brother on The Griot. It escapes me what exactly he said but it was in line with George Lucas aint trying to do a damned thing for black cinematography. He's not the savior he wants you to believe he is. But some of us will uphold him as one for creating this movie. I had to agree with the brother and I felt some disingenuity at work on Lucas' part.

I didn't see the film, because Im not down with war films. Simple. Just because the characters are black, well what can I say.
Some of us black folks stay losing. We stay grovelling for scraps under the table when if we would just stand up, we could be eating high on the hog. The internet is available and powerful, yet too many of us keep trying to crash the KKK party that is Hollyweird.

More of us gotta get past the Hollyweird thing. The whole illusion of becoming millionaires by becoming actors is a dead horse that we need to get up off of. If you want to create films do so. Be prepared to put in WORK, and stop whining about Hollyweird. It's not the place for black folks, just accept that.

January 23, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterAnna Renee

I have never posted on a website or blog before even though I frequently read them. However this is a subject that I am passionate about. I just got done watching the movie after eagerly anticipating it's release for sometime now. I was excited and somewhat proud that I was spending my money on what I thought would be a great story that needed to be told. I was almost immediately put off that within the first 10 minutes of the movie one of the main actors is seen gawking at an Italian lady from his plane. I was hoping that that wouldbe the only scene in the movie. Unfortunately that storyline was thrown in our face the whole movie. The woman spoke NO english but the man was so overwhelmed with her "beauty" that he wanted to marry her. It would have been quite delightful to see at least ONE of these handsome black characters be just as awed by a black women's beauty. I have much respect for George Lucas but could have been better. After all those black men did come from BLACK MOTHERS, GRANDMOTHERS etc.. Hence black women did play a role in these men lives. Sad it was not portrayed and I was dissapointed!

January 30, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterKC

Is the black women married to george lucas or is she just his girlfriend; if she is just his 'girlfriend', then i could understand it. She isn't Mrs. George Lucas. If she was, i think they would have a few black women in the movie.BTW, I don't mind that they had white women in the movie but at least they should have had a few black women in it too

February 9, 2012 | Unregistered Commenterlady day

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