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Black Women, Have We No Shame?:You Don't Negotiate With HATE ( Slim Thug)

I really could care less about something named "Slim Thug," but alas Slim Jim has brought us all to another one of those teachable moments where once again you are reminded that there really are other Black people in the world who HATE YOU.
It’s hard to trust a Black woman [sometimes] because a lot of Black women’s mind frame is that the man gotta do everything for her⎯ he gotta pay for this, he gotta pay for that, and if it ain’t about money then a lot of them ain’t fucking with him. If that’s what you’re here for then I don’t want to be with you.

Most single Black women feel like they don’t want to settle for less. Their standards are too high right now. They have to understand that successful Black men are kind of extinct. We’re important. It’s hard to find us so Black women have to bow down and let it be known that they gotta start working hard; they gotta start cooking and being down for they man more. They can’t just be running around with their head up in the air and passing all of us.

I have a brother that dates a White woman and he always be fucking with me about it saying, “Y’all gotta go through all that shit [but] my White woman is fine. She don’t give me no problems, she do whatever I say and y’all gotta do all that arguing and fighting and worry about all this other shit.”

My girl is Black and White. I guess the half White in her is where she still cooks and do all the shit that I say, so we make it. She just takes care of me and I like that. She don’t be begging and I don’t gotta buy her all this crazy ass shit. And she’s a smart girl too. She graduated from Columbia [University] and I like that about her so it’s cool. I’ve dated girls that will buy a $3,000 bag and don’t know how to pay it off on their credit cards. They walk around in these Louis Vuittons and red bottoms but they’re riding around in raggedy cars, so it’s just getting your priorities right.

White women treat they man like a king and Black women feel like they ain’t gotta do that shit. Black women need to stand by their man more. Vibe.com

Ah yes, in order for Mr. Thug to feel the full might of his manhood, we must bow down. What a sad and pathetic soul. The need for others to make them selves smaller so that he can feel superior. Massa would be so proud.

Mr. Thug's comments are irrelevant. You didn't need Mr. Thug to say these things in order to know that there are Black men AND women with a seething unrelenting HATRED for Black women... thus why this blog was founded.  Ask the women of the Congo what happens when men who look like like them hate them... You end up with AK47s inserted into your body followed by them pulling the trigger and leaving you incontinent or WORSE for life.

Black women, Mr. Slim Thug Hates you. When someone hates you, you don't beg them not to hate you, you anihilate them. But alas, Black women in this country, some of the most powerful on Earth if they would realize it, instead of smoking Mr. Thug ( is that word still "hip" on the skreets?) instead of anihilating Mr. Thug and dispatching him to some rehab clinic for lying, gambling, sex, drugs or whatever type of rehab celebrities go to when their make career killing mistakes, Mr. Thug merely gets an open letter from some of the most pathetic Black women ever to be given access to a computer- Black women begging him not to hate them so much. Its clear that these women are more than willing to "Bow Down." Ironically, one of the tag lines for this blog is uncompromising, unapologetic, and unbowed.

My comments are in red. Try to make it through without throwing up in you mouth:
An Open Letter to Our Black Men, [Sorry, I'm not claiming folks that hate me and need me to subjugate myself. We don't own each other. ]

It has pained us to witness the negative portrayal that has taken place with respect to Black women over the last decade.  [Really? You've been concerned for a whole DECADE? Paging C Delores Tucker! Is that why all of the industry women who are part of your organization have been consistently silent as the Hip Hop industrial Complex has continuously opened fire on Black women and girls?]However, the most recent national dialogue, disrespect and generalizations that have permeated our culture and mainstream media have especially stung because they were directed to us, in this instance, by our own brothers. [Who else is carrying out the primary attacks on Black women OTHER than "our brothers"?]

In our culture, and in all cultures, it is no secret that some of those characterizations do exist.  [Raitionalizing and conceding a point. Can you imagine Martin Luther King excusing Jim Crow because the racists had some points? ]The claim that Black women, at times, can be unsupportive, difficult and impossible to please may be the case for some.   [Well gee, way to grab the moral high ground and throw Black women under the bus- divide and conquer. What they are basically saying is "You're absolutely right my brother, but I'm not like THOSE Black women. PICK ME! CHOOSE ME! WANT ME!"]However, it is unfortunate that some of you have not yet encountered the overwhelming majority of us that are driven, brilliant, successful and completely capable of being our own provider. [PICK ME ! CHOOSE ME!  WANT ME!  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! - Pathetic]

These women are shrewd, and yes, do maintain high standards for how they would like to be treated. [Translation- Black women are conniving and their standards are too high] This is not out of conceit, however, but is instead a necessary act of self-love and self preservation.  Forced to compete in a male dominated world, and in many cases, occupations, these same women reserve their tenderness for those most special to them and are more than willing to stand by the ones they love.  [Translation- Black women are cold hearted shebeasts, unloveable and no fun at all ]For this reason, “being down for [their] man” as some suggest, is simply par for the course.

Almost daily, whether through the media, our colleagues at work or just in our neighborhoods, Black women are told they are not good enough. [Yes, by women like those in the Women in Entertainment Empowerment Network- see the statements made about Black women above. ] Yet, we are the backbone of the Black family, raise strong Black men and hold our men down when no one else would.  [The very fact that you have to issue this open letter to "Our Black Men" belies this statement dontcha think? Who wrote this mess- YOU"RE FIRED!]You see, Black women are and will continue to be the most loyal, faithful and loving people on the planet. [Translation-No matter how poorly you treat us or beat us up literally and figuratively, we have no where else to go, so please be nicer to us.. umm kay?] The only difference is that we will no longer tolerate disrespect, unreasonable double-standards and a relationship that is not based in reciprocity.  The same unconditional love and show of care that you seek in us…we also seek in you. [Yeah like this mealy mouthed, desperate cry for attention is going to be effective. You just conceded the power position by describing yourself as a loyal lap dog. I thought y'all were supposed to be entertainment executives?]

These negative views of some Black women have fed into the stereotypes of Black women as a whole and have left us to consistently battle….alone. [Guilt Trip. PICK ME ! CHOOSE ME! WANT ME!] Black men, your comments play a deeper role in the perpetuation of systemic and internalized racism and sexism that already exists.  Your statements extend power to these negative images.  The problem with generalizations is that the moment we invest in them we stop being hopeful, we stop being open, and we stop growing. [Translation- Please please Pleas stop or I'll beg you to stop some more- yeah that will teach the Black male supremacists]

While we certainly recognize with no doubt that not all Black men feel this way, we are asking that for those who do, that you think before you speak again about Black women. [Its okay for you to hate me as long as you don't mention it in public. We don't mind let's keep that Black woman hatred behind closed doors okay.  What a principled position!]We represent your mothers, your sisters and your daughters.  [Y'all don't represent me!]We are the product of a long lifeline of Black women that poured every ounce of their lives into making you the successful men you have become.  [Shirley Ceasar Voice="For the 9 month's I carried you. Growing inside meeeeeee. No Charge!]We are your partner, not your adversary and our wish is for us to repair the communication, respect and trust that has been broken. [Speak for yourselves any man who believes this is my mortal enemy.]

We love you unconditionally, behind closed doors and in public.  [That's part of the problem, he knows he can kick you in the stomach, bash you about the head and you'll go crawling back to him.]Let’s begin the rebuilding process for our sons, our daughters and future generations to come.  The first step, we ask you to join us on WEEN Radio’s “The Pink Suite” Tuesday, June 15 at 9pm EST to have an open discussion (www.weenonline.org). [Ain't this a mess! So all this was to promote your LAME internet radio show? You sold fellow Black women down river for a PODCAST?] Source. Hat tip, The YBF

This is the most SHAMEFUL piece of event promotion I have ever seen in my life. These are type types of people to lead others to death chambers.  Am I the only one that thinks these women from the Women in Entertainment Empowerment Network have some horrible kind of battered women's syndrome? Did you catch the classism and elitism in there too? "We're not like THOSE other Black women- We're the GOOD Black women- Pick me! Choose me! Want me!"

As if reasoning with someone who hates you is going to make them hate you less. I don't know which is worse. Black women begging that Slim Thug not hate you or Black women trying to argue with him about the merits of his hate filled comments.

Compare this feeble and prostrated reaction to this attack on ALL BLACK WOMEN my Mr. Slim Jim and the reaction to an insult to one young White woman at the MTV Music Awards. When Kanye West stormed the stage, he was an obnoxious little twit and made Taylor Swift cry because he said someone else's video was better than hers. Mr. West was quickly dispatched to the land of obscurity and shame for a year or so and recently began his comeback.

Instead we do stupid mess like writing an "open letter" to a Black woman-hater:

The response to propaganda is not to scream and yell that the propaganda isn't true. The solution is to produce your own propaganda. Throughout history, people who sit idly by howling at how horrible propaganda are end up dead. Look at every mass killing in the history of the world, its always preceded by people explaining away the horrors that their neighbors are committing against them.

Now some Black women foolishly believe that if they chastise Black men like Slimm Thug enough, they will be able to convert his reprobate heart and win him over. If you just ask him to recognize your basic humanity, he will. As if he couldn't recognize the humanity of Black women as he exited his Black mother's birth canal.

Slim Thug has done you all a favor. He has once again reminded you, as if you needed reminding, that the people who currently control Black culture HATE YOU!


So let me repeat. The Black Elite Establishment and the Hip Hop Industrial Complex HATE YOU BLACK WOMEN... AND YOUR DAUGHTERS. They work every day to exploit you. To beat you up physically and metaphysically. To the extent that you are allowed to exist it is for the purpose of "serving them." Which is why these misogynists LOVED their mamas (provider)  and despise their baby mamas (responsibility).

Russell Simmons created Global Grind on the backs of Black women yet hands it over to his non-Black girlfriend to call Black women bitches. He hates y'all.Almost EVERY rap music director...hates you. Hip Hop artist... HATE. Debra Lee and her employees... HATE. Kathy Hughes... HATES You-don't believe me listen to some of her radio stations.. . She can't stand you.

NAACP National Leadership... indifferent to you, that's just as bad as HATING YOU. Al Sharpton...indifferent=HATE.

DL Hughley- Hates you a WHOLE LOT.

I could go on an on and on.

You cannot negotiate with people who hate you. You can not plead for your life with the people who hate you-they hate you afterall, why would they care.

So how do you respond. You don't respond with an open letter begging the one who hates to please hate you a little bit less. If you've got to beg someone to recognize your basic human rights and dignity, you don't have any. Those are rights bestowed to you by God. You don't have to beg anyone else to grant them to you.

Don't Believe the Hucksters- They Hate You Too

And for the record, Marc Lamont "I didn't know I was fired from Fox News" Hill and Boyce "Deathly Afraid of Russell Simmons" Watkins aren't fond of Black women either, but they are not  the type to allow a controversy or an opportunity for self promotion to be wasted. For example, look at this shining example of Dr. Watkin's moral clarity on Mr. Thugs suggestion that Black women "bow down":
Don’t get me wrong, black men love your music (at least I do), but the bottom line is that brothers don’t buy albums, books, or anything else put up for sale. But when black women turn on you, it’s a wrap son. Settle down and go back to the studio; it’s good for your financial health. Boyce Watkins

And Marc Lamont Hill was a lead cheerleader for Genarlow Wilson so that tells you where he stands on rape and violence against Black women. Apparently  running a tr@in on an unconscious 17 year old girl is no biggie!

I so need to finish my book. If these hucksters are passing themselves off as defenders of Black women. We're in trouble!

Speaking of Black men who prey on Black women and girls, South Africa, the land of epidemic child rapes had R. Kelly perform during the opening of the World Cup. Again, if Mr. Kelly had left a string of underage middle income White girls in his wake, he likely would not have even been allowed into the country, but Mr. Kelly's alleged victims are Black....

Post script: After I wrote this post, I did a little more digging on WEEN, they appear to be a front for Russell Simmons. No wonder. Here is a bit about their founder. This tells you about WEEN's "values":
For over six years, Butterfield served as the Executive Director of the Hip-Hop Summit Action Network under the leadership of its Founder and Co-Chair, Russell Simmons. WEEN

Oh and her Daddy is GK Butterfield, He was the main defender of the entertainment industry at that Congressional Hearing I live blogged "From Industry to Imus".    Can I call foolishness or what?  I wasn't that far off on that "death chambers" statement after all.  So you can place WEEN officially on the ENEMIES OF BLACK WOMEN LIST.

Reader Comments (103)

Thanks Gina for always being on top of it.

Many of us are sorely in need of a pride transfusion.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterforeverloyal

OH. DEAR. GOD. Why don't black women have any PRIDE. DIGNITY. or SELF-RESPECT. This is so pathetic that it just makes me cringe and shake my head in disgust. How many of these mofos have to crap on us before we finally buy a clue?

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterRoslyn Holcomb

I understand the criticism but to constantly criticize and not offer alternatives outlets to support they still win. We could boycott Cathy Hughes, Essence and BET but they will still be the premiere black outlets in their field, so they will still make a profit b/c they basically have a captive audience. If Radio One is the only black radio station in your city, you just might end up having to listen to it if you want to hear some Jill Scott or Maxwell.
I haven't supported hip hop for years and their records sales have been declining so bad they are singing and trying to do electronica music now.
But guess what they will still have a #1 album, even if its 100,000 copies b/c they are still getting the most attention whether it be negative or positive. Attention that wasn't given to Janelle Monae, Jean Grae or any other non degrading artists.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterblkchik

Before anybody says it: this is NOT "self-hatred". It is pure, anadulterated, quotidian hatred of the stormfront variety.

And it's not just the entertainment industry, not by a long shot. It takes its cues from what's out there. The average guy (i.e. good brutha) routinely badmouths black women to his non-black friends. Not some stereotypical Carlton Banks. This happens all the time, believe that.

For example, notice that gem pointed out the PhD's (in finance) concern for this fool's $. Not that it's wrong. Not that he's evil...but HIS financial security could be in jeopardy-the PhD even admits that the males aren't worth a __ as they don't $upport rappers. This is an "educated brotha" (whose raison d'etre is the male athlete) talking.

The PhD in finance just admitted that the financial backbone of the collective is female, yet does nothing to contradict the lie that black women are golddiggers! He-a PhD-does assert his kinship with someone called "thug" while he denigrates...YOU.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLaJane Galt

Thank you, Gina, for consistently naming Black Woman Hate for what it is.

We absolutely need to explore alternatives to this racist misogynistic society to find our path to self-love and communal love. If we keep listening to the propaganda, we'll constantly tie ourselves in knots trying for love from the men we have been told are supposed to love us.

There always seems to be two types of messages given to black women - unmarried in particular -when it comes to finding and receiving love:

1.) lower your standards
2.) date outside your race

Neither of these actions will address the larger systemic problems of a black woman living in a racist and woman-hating society (the first explicitly states that she is "aiming too high," which in and of itself is a racist statement that tells black women to go back to the slave huts and ghetto dumps from which we supposedly came, while the latter assumes that non-black men are immune from the same racist misogyny that permeates our culture). There are some good men, and they come in different colors, but that does not change the fact that they operate in a black-woman-hating society. If black men, who have learned to hate themselves, find it convenient to hate black women more than themselves, and if black women have to learned to hate herself and other black women like her, then only a racist mindset would presume that non-black people would hate us less since it is assumed that only black people are plagued with social pathology. Come again?

All I know is, as black women we need to RESIST, RESIST, RESIST!

Or continue to fall victim to these systems of oppression.

Statistics show that black women receive the worst healthcare out of all women, that we have the highest rates of STDs and HIV, and added to that: we're the least likely of all women in the U.S. to be married.

The story behind these numbers should be self-evident: we are HATED, we are not supported, and our self-determination and ability to STILL rise above the limitations placed on us has made it necessary for everyone else to chip away at our efforts through hate, hate, and more hate.

What I like about your blog, Gina, is that you have fully and clearly stated the obvious: THERE IS A WAR AGAINST BLACK WOMEN.

Maybe we can't win all the battles, but we should strive to survive and win this war. And we need to arm ourselves and be ready for this war.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAnxious Black Woman

Seriously? Slim thug, Boyce fake Ph.D Watkins, and Marc "I've arrived because I teach at an Ivy League School so you should be impressed by me" Hill?"

Um... I'm not sure what planet these three have been living on, but black women don't have incredibly high standards. Black women have been compromising and accepting any ol' black man because practically EVERY institution black people hold near and dear to their hearts have exalted black men... even the trifling ones.

Black women are taught to stand by their man, be a ride or die chick, have and endless litter of bastard children by men who couldn't care less about them or the results of premature ejaculation. Black women have been taught that not having a man makes them somehow defective, damaged and messed up. No matter how sorry a black man is, his value is always going to trump that of black women.

For those men who attempt to raise the bar for their trifling counterparts, they (like Lamont Hill) think they are some special prize to be won and that because they are doing what any person should do ( like become a contributing and productive member of society), they should be given special recognition as if it were some acheivement. Black men are NEVER looked as the defective partner in heterosexual relationships. Even the very mention of the black man's systemic and constitutive dysfunction, the cadre of apologists gird their loins and begin providing a litany of excuses for why black men, abuse their woves and girlfriends, cheat on their spouses, shirk their parental responsibility, commit crimes, go to prison, fail at everything they attempt, sire children indiscriminately, have wanton reckless and unprotected sex, and fail at being teachers, providers, and protectors.

Black women are not afforded the same privelege. I'm not sure of the origins of this dynamic in our community, but I think much of it comes from pseudo-african ni@@alosophy, religion (i.e. the Proverbs 31 woman), and then some bastardized version of patriarchy and misappropriated chilvary gone terribly wrong.

The fact of the matter is that black women (generalizing and speaking collectively) have put up with black men's BS all these years and without much argument. Do I literally think all black men hate black women? No, but with celebrities, rappers, and black male intelligentsia constantly telling black women what THEY need to do to get and keep a man, instead of challenging black men to get up off their lazy @$$es and make themselves and attractive OPTION for black women, it's difficult to NOT believe that black men as a collective hate black women.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBLKSeaGoat

Reading that pathetic letter was difficult, many will be left behind. However, the Shirley Ceasar no charge reference was a welcome bright spot. I had a little chuckle until I realized this woman was treating a grown male enemy the same way a mother would treat a recalcitrant 8 year-old boy.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterZooPath

not only did this post open my eyes to more of the industry's dislike of black women - it just opened my eyes to a person whom i thought was my friend that i now wholeheartedly believe, dislikes black women.

thank you

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterjenifer daniels

FYI DL Hughley got a new game show coming to NBC, hopefully it will be cancelled like everything else he does.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterblkchik

I would also like to add, or maybe I should quote Cicely Tyson (in an essay included in the 1970 Black Woman anthology), that if black women en masse are "angry and evil," then hell yes, we are!

As Tyson said, "What black woman in her right mind wouldn't be angry and evil"? It's a HEALTHY response to the combined effects of racism and misogyny.

And I say that as someone who still greets everyone with a smile that I see in public. I exercise, enjoy good good food, write creative works when I'm struck by the creative bug, hang out with friends (both male and female of different racial and ethnic backgrounds), and overall can be described as happy and content.

But I'm still angry when I encounter racism and misogyny. I should be angry when a group that I belong to - BLACK WOMEN - are consistently targeted. Those who are well to do and striving are called "stuck up" or "gold diggers," and those who are still struggling for survival - perhaps the most vulnerable are those black girls who, at the average age of 13 or 14, are being turned out to the streets by "pimps," who often grab a hold of them because they left an environment where they were not loved - are abused and degraded as "hos."

I'm angry for all my sisters who have to bear this hatred. I'm angry that someone has decided that because our skin has color and we have vaginas, that we must be treated with ridicule, scorn, and abuse.

I'm proud that my skin HAS color! Song of Songs said "I'm black and beautiful, and my dark skin has been kissed by many morning suns" (loosely quoting but you get the picture).

God gave me pleasurable parts and a life-holding womb as a woman, and no amount of unnatural black woman-hating (because what other can you be when you've decided to hate what naturally occurs in some human beings) is going to reverse what is beautiful and what is good.

Every bird, every mammal, every insect has the instinct of self-preservation and self-love. It is only human beings, and women in particular, who are expected to rationalize against our own survival.

We, as human beings, need to untangle ourselves from all this unnatural hatred that stems from a white supremacist patriarchal imperialist system that teaches black women and men to hate ourselves.

But in the end, WE are not the sick ones It is the system that is sick, and the expectation that we should conform to such an unhealthy system is even sicker. The symptoms that we bear are the rational response of an organism trying to survive a hostile environment.

Black women, I hope you choose to carve out regular spaces in your daily life to heal and practice healthy self-defense and self-love.


June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAnxious Black Woman

Why is an adult male comfortable with referring to himself professionally as "Slim Thug"?

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterwanda

Whew! I really unloaded here, didn't I?


I guess there are some things I needed to get off my chest, and Slim Thug and the apologetic open letter was like the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterAnxious Black Woman

There is only one appropriate response for people like this: DESTROY THEM. Devastate them financially, scatter and disperse their allies, ruin their peace of mind, make them fear for their lives.

It's better to be feared than hated.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterShecodes

I just re-read the post. Slim Thug's two word sentence typifies the sentiments black men have towards black women and children. He says, "We're important." If being so dayum selfish and self absorbed and narcissistic, doesn't translate to obligate hatred and contempt for black women, I don't know what does.


June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBLKSeaGoat


The Taylor Swift and Kanye West is an excellent example

"Compare this feeble and prostrated reaction to this attack on ALL BLACK WOMEN my Mr. Slim Jim and the reaction to an insult to one young White woman at the MTV Music Awards. When Kanye West stormed the stage, he was an obnoxious little twit and made Taylor Swift cry because he said someone else’s video was better than hers. Mr. West was quickly dispatched to the land of obscurity and shame for a year or so and recently began his comeback."

This example and or question should be used as the counter argument whenever folks spew this saw crap about us.

Why is Taylor Swift given swift protection when someone spoke ill about her video? What makes her different? Is she somehow better? Why?

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterthelilidiva4u

"Mr. Slim Jim"


Everyone else has summed up my feelings, so no need to add my two cents.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterTamara

"As if reasoning with someone who hates you is going to make them hate you less."

That says it all.

I want to know why Vibe.com or magazine or whatever it is now felt comfortable publishing this hate speech? Is it because they feel there is no price to pay? I think that must be it considering people like D.L. Hughley are rewarded for their hate. Did you know Hughley has done a pilot for a show on NBC?

We have to shun all who mean us harm. Boycotts won't do the trick anymore. We have to write-off all of these people forever, then maybe this stuff will stop.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterVal

I thought the Vibe magazine was ending.

All rappers are ignorant, but the country rappers are the worse!!!!!

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLD

@Val, my thoughts exactly. What editor approved of this publishing??? But Vibe I thought was closing down, perhaps they had a mindframe like Mr. Thug "F*^k it, what can they do to me!!!".

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLD

I want to know why Vibe.com or magazine or whatever it is now felt comfortable publishing this hate speech?

B/c of all the attention that bloggers have given this article. No one has paid attention to Vibe since TLC was on the cover in the firefighter uniforms. Vibe webstite probably hasn't gotten this many hits in years.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterblkchik

and I think a BW is the one who wrote the article too

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterblkchik

Wow, I'm speechless, but don't worry I saw the writing on the wall years ago .... I, for one, have had no problem in turning back on this mess. What madness!!!!!

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterRhonda

@ Anxious Black Woman

Please get out of my head!!! You perfectly articulated everything that is on my mind and THEN some. I have nothing to add.

Except this, until I learned about this story on another blog the other day, I had never even heard of this Slim Thug character. Who IS this clown?

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMommieDearest

Here's Slim's lame attempts to clarify his comments:



I agree with blckchik- why try to reason with fools who hate you? It's best to use that energy in a more productive manner.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMommieDearest

SUPERB... in tone and content!!!

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBlack Butterfly

Thanks for your post Gem. I have got to say, when in the H@ll are black women going to stop the madness? These MFers hate us and yet some of us couldn't give two ishes. We as black women are the ones who look like fools. The day a son, daughter, father, brother etc. of mine would ever make statements like that pathetic rapper made, I would be under the jail for trying to take them out. Enough is enough. Black women need to stop looking the other way or just shaking their heads. We simply need to stand up and tell Russel Simmons, Dr. Boyce, Slim Fug or whoever to go fck themselves. They add nothing to OUR lives and they do nothing for any of us. What are we afraid of? (Oh, I forgot that some of us are afraid to be alone). What a darn shame. How embarrassing. Well, I for one will proudly proclaim, Fck em.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterdginki

You know this reminded me of an article I read about the ill-treatment of Kenyan women in a particular village. The women got tired of it and formed their own women village which is thriving and they are all living in peace and joy. The men were shocked at how successful the women had become and did everything to thwart their success, all failed. The women are still going strong. Now the men are bemoaning that soon there will no longer be any women around at all and they will not be fathers.

AA women need to catch a clue and go about forming their own village away from these type of black men like Slim thug. There needs to be a no more BS mantra being chanted daily by every sister. I feel bad for women who feel they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel just to come up with any ole thing to say they have a man. If anybody has ever drunk dregs, it's not a pleasant thing and too man black women are drinking dregs daily and being told that dregs is what they should be satisfied with. Come together as women, pool your money, knowledge, skills , support each other and develop your own neighborhoods. Form your own media outlets to control your own image and leave the naysayers in awe.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterJules

Shecodes said "There is only one appropriate response for people like this: DESTROY THEM. Devastate them financially, scatter and disperse their allies, ruin their peace of mind, make them fear for their lives.

It’s better to be feared than hated."


June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterthelilidiva4u

Ugh DL Hughley..I cant watch vid at work but he ruined my birthday last year. At a comedy club he was a surprise guest and joked about how good quiet white women don't get beat and black women "talk themselves into beatings" Real classy grade a shit.
And slim thug sounds like he wants a maid not a woman. I'm sick of men (of all colors) who cant deal with strong women!

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commentertereska

“To the extent that you are allowed to exist it is for the purpose of “serving them.” Which is why these misogynists LOVED their mamas (provider) and despise their baby mamas (responsibility).”
WOW- what a statement- I never looked at it that way.

Anyway, I didn’t care what this rapper had to say about BW. What annoyed me was all the hoopla, response, and discussion to what this person had to say. I mean really, when was the last time said individual was even relevant? Had a hit single? Why even mention his name? We’ve just given this man-child more publicity and notoriety than he ever deserved and fed his over sized ego even more. Let’s stop allowing people to become more famous by pushing us down.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterZabeth

Thank you for posting this as well as highlighting the fact that he said 'successful black men are becoming extinct'. I usually don't comment on blogs much but I have made several about this one. I hope you don't mind but I am going to repost my comment from another site, it was in reply to a BM commentor on the site----
I understand what you are trying to say. However, and I don’t discount the fact that
Slim Thug believed he was telling the truth ‘based on his own experience’
KEY WORDS. It boggles my mind how both men and women continue to fail to see that his statements, as well as certain media outlets, are throwing both black men and black women under the bus simultaneously. If he had said in the article, the women I dealt with were like ‘xyz’. Ok. But he was basically saying that because these women were black they were bad. And because the women he was with was half white, that part somehow made her good and respectful. If he were to really tell the unbiased truth it would go something like this, “because I decided to make a career out of glorifying violence ignorance and misogyny, quality, caring women have remained elusive to me, based on my and my cousin’s ability to find suckers, who Happen to be of or part of a different race, we are forced conclude black women are beeyoches. And since the vast majority of my like minded peers are locked up or not going platinum, I will also take the liberty of suggesting successful black men, like the T-Rex, will no longer walk among us in a short while.”

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMichele


Vibe has def come a long way (down) since its inception. I really don't even know why it exists anymore.


You're right. And that's why ABC, The Washington Post and others keep this kind of crap going. When we start ignoring them they'll stop.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterVal

Amen Gina,

I preach this to my daughters every day. These black entertainers hate black women, no way around it, including their own mamas. More and more of these rappers are thinking their god gifts to women and are jumping on the black women are desperate bad wagon. I can't remember one song by this man and don't care if I ever hear one.
I swear somebody is feeding black men a burnt bolognie sandwich, because I don't see why they are acting like their are the second coming of Jesus.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterShell

Anxious Black Woman,
Thanks for your EXCELLENT commentary on the WARPED ANTI-BW GARBAGE that ALL BW need to DESTROY if it's the LAST thing we do on this earth.

Shecodes says,
There is only one appropriate response for people like this: DESTROY THEM. Devastate them financially, scatter and disperse their allies, ruin their peace of mind, make them fear for their lives.

It’s better to be feared than hated.

laromana says,
Shecodes, I STRONGLY agree with your above comment.

Everytime I read of another ANTI-BW RACIST/HATER using BW as a UNIVERSAL PUNCHING BAG, my immediate response is that ALL BW need to JOIN FORCES and use EVERY resource (LEGAL, EDUCATIONAL, ECONOMIC, etc.) at our disposal to DESTROY the ANTI-BW RACISTS/HATERS and their ANTI-BW LIES/MYTHS/STEREOTYPES that trash the HUMANITY/DIGNITY/FEMININITY of BW EVERYWHERE.


I don't know of any NON-BM who go out of their way to CONSTANTLY TRASH the HUMANITY/DIGNITY/FEMININITY of the women that MOST resemble their MOTHERS/GRANDMOTHERS/SISTERS.
NON-BM understand that TRASHING the women of your RACE is the same as TRASHING yourself and they're NOT STUPID enough to engage in this type of SELF HATING behavior as BM are.

BM need to be reminded that they EXIST b/c a BW CHOSE to BIRTH THEM, period.
This may sound HARSH, but if MOST BM can't LEARN to RESPECT BW, perhaps, in the future, BW should RETHINK WHETHER OR NOT to BIRTH THEM.

BW owe NO ONE an APOLOGY for our existence and we DESERVE to have our HUMANITY/DIGNITY RESPECTED at ALL times by EVERYONE.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterlaromana

Gina, Genarlow did not rape that 17 year old girl. Repeating a lie makes it no less a lie and shows your hatred for black men.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterTori


You are an idiot and a hater of both black men and women if you think that having sexual intercourse with an unconscious 17 year old isn't rape.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBLKSeaGoat


Besides the one reference about Genarlow Wilson, did you even read the post?

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBLKSeaGoat

@Tori: The conviction was based on an amateur video tape showing Wilson engaging in sex with a 17-year-old girl during a private party, and later being offered and receiving oral sex from a 15-year-old girl.[7][8] The video shows the 17-year-old girl on the bathroom floor, then later having sex with Wilson. She appeared sleepy or intoxicated during the sex act but did not ask Wilson to stop. [9] Waking up naked and disoriented the next morning, she claimed to have been raped.[8] Investigating the alleged rape, police later found condoms and evidence of drinking, as well as the video camera, in the motel room used for the party.[9]

A jury acquitted Wilson of raping the older girl, but convicted him of aggravated child molestation against the 15-year-old. The "aggravated" nature of the charge refers to fellatio (oral sex) rather than a mere "immoral or indecent act." Had the two teenagers had intercourse without oral sex, Wilson would have been charged with a misdemeanor, punishable up to 12-months, with no sex offender status, instead of the mandatory 10-year minimum term that the judge gave him.[5]


June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterChele Belle

Gina, thanks again for another excellent post. I know not every single BM is a no/low value, DBRBM, but after reading this, I'm starting to think it might just be a good rule of thumb for BW to assume every BM is one, until they prove themselves otherwise. This is really ridiculous. BLKSeaGoat, when I read the quote and he said "We're important," I too got a sociopathic feel from it. That's what these guys think, that their God's gift, and should be served by the masses of BW. I think one of the best things that BW with some sense can do is to pursue abundant life for ourselves and starve the people who hate us (including delusional BW) to death. As far as more specific "solutions/responses" I think BW need to very vocally and publically dissassociate themselves with this poison called "hip hop." And what Columbia grad would date this fool? I will NEVER "bow down!" Ok, I'm getting steamed all over again.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterSharifa

uh oh...troll alert!!!!

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLD

@ Sharifa, "I think one of the best things that BW with some sense can do is to pursue abundant life for ourselves and starve the people who hate us (including delusional BW) to death. As far as more specific “solutions/responses” I think BW need to very vocally and publically dissassociate themselves with this poison called “hip hop.”

Amen and Amen again!

The best thing BW can do it live by the old adage, 'Living successful is the best revenge'. Stop arguing with these fools and do what our mothers always told us to do, 'show better 'em than you can tell 'em'. We have to start living more productive and fulfilling lives. Pursue our dreams.

@Gina, thanks for the link to Script Frenzy. I'm outlining my screenplay right now!

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterShell

why would anyone care what an idiot like Slim Thug would say anyway? I mean, it's Slim Thug - a proudly self-proclaimed Thug, and drug dealing gangster - It's no surprise and completely expected, coming from his ilk.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterLena

I'm glad you wrote about this. I was participating in the no black male foolishness week from Sojourners Passport just when this hit my Twitter timeline.

While I agree with all the points made (I haven't read the comments yet) there has to come a point where the regular readers should be able to figure out patterns of behavior and in identifying DBRs and why they need to cut off their heads when appropriate and disengage otherwise.

That Marc Hill fake chastizement of the Skinny Criminal was pathetic as well. Of course an indoctrinated black woman was going to beg to be accepted, but yet AGAIN there was not ONE black male who appropriately and publicly policed the foul behavior of another black male in attacking a black woman they way white males step in to protect their own - even against other white males. Yet some black women think he was defending us: "oh dude please stop bashing black women"

Why is it the black women empowermnet bloggers can call this #$^& out with the appropriate tone and action?

Also let's face it, this is beyond the entertainment establishment. It's the black community as a whole that's diseased for allowing this to continue.

Also people should realize that this DBR fool will continue to be joined by others who directly attack us or indirectly allow apathy to immobolize them for attention AND profit.

We as black women need to move forward with our dignity intact and cut off all of these leeches so we can have the full lives we more than deserve.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterFaith

@lena the post isn't about Slim Thug. Its about the response which is far more troublesome that the revelation regarding something most people who read this blog already know

@shell awesomeness good luck with the screen play

@Sharifa I don't need to disassociate myself with Slim Thug because I never associated with him. The people who responded with these weak open letters are the problem. Typical Black Elite Establishment.

@blkseagot I see you have everything under control. I know I've written a great post when the trolls come calling. They can't stand it.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commentergem2001

@BLKSeaGoat: I'm like you; that 'We're important' quote said it all for me.

Last week Muslim Bushido has a post on how to deal with 'brothas' like Skinny Beeatch, oops, I mean't Slim Thug: http://sojournerspassport.com/the-first-national-tune-out-neutral-low-value-and-no-value-black-men-week/

That's the rule I live by.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterMiss V

Divest. Disentangle. Disengage. Detach. AA women leave the "community" alone because our very survival is at stake. The outrage directed at Kenye West after he made a fool of himself with Taylor Swift, let him know that his behavior was totally unacceptable.

AA men feel free to attack us because they know there will be no repercussions, there are no consequences, and there is no social stigma attached to throwing us under the bus. The climate in the AA "community" is such that we as women have to constantly prove that we are "for" AA men, yet we better not ask for ANYTHING in return.
I don't believe in fighting a fight with these men. I don't believe in taking up arms against them. I can't think of any other group of women who have had to fight their men for the basic right to be respected. Ladies don't fight, at least not physically. No...I urge those of you who "get it" to disengage, divest, detach. Physically, emotionally and spiritually leave the AA "community"!!! It doesn't exist for us anymore and to continue to believe that it does is to fall in love with a rumor.
When we take our resources ($$, emotional support, etc.) and silently leave, the ST's of the world will die. Parasites need a host to survive. In the meantime, instead of fighting we will have spent our time, talents and resources building better lives for ourselves. Let the dead bury the dead.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterKaren R.

When we take our resources ($$, emotional support, etc.) and silently leave, the ST’s of the world will die. Parasites need a host to survive. In the meantime, instead of fighting we will have spent our time, talents and resources building better lives for ourselves. Let the dead bury the dead

See I disagree. No where in the history of the world has that ever worked. Actually, ladies have fought men throughout history. The French Resistance, Josephine Baker, Harriet Tubman was a Union spy. No sane person would say women should engage men in hand to hand combat and this post isn'r really about Slim Thug. its about the fact that we don't have and natural defenses and illustrating how some pathetic women think that begging men to treat them like human beings will work.

I am building a better life for myself. I want other people to build better lives for themselves as well.

June 14, 2010 | Unregistered Commentergem2001

'cuse me? I'm sorry, but why does a fool self-named "Slim Thug" think he can speak about relationships when he cheated on a girlfriend and got the other woman pregnant? Did Slime Thug marry the other woman? Is he even current in his child support?


June 15, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterrevmamaafrika.com

Hmmm...I thought Mr. Thug had indeed found a beautiful black songtress to marry, someone possibly not affected by all the ills Mr. Thug decries.

He is the same "Thug" person who was dating and engaged to Letoya Luckett of Destiny's Child.

Yet, that relationship and his engagement ended because of his relentless cheating and promiscuity that resulted in him impregnating either her or his cousin.....not sure. But I do believe that was the industry gossip awhile back.

Mr. Thug later admitted that he fathered a child during his engagement and that is what ended his relationship.

And this is a man whose relationship advice and commentary is published by Vibe magazine?

June 15, 2010 | Unregistered Commenterknockoutchick


From what I could read, Hill mentioned it.

"How might your own admitted failures at monogamy undermine the type of loyalty that you find missing in Black women? Criticizing the vulnerable is easy. Working on yourself is the difficult part. "

June 15, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterVCF

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