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Lee: Dunbar Village victim not as innocent as believed to be
Thursday, August 27, 2009 at 12:46AM The Blogmother Her late father, Percy Lee, was longtime director of the Palm Beach County Urban League. Her mother, Maude Ford Lee, was the first African American woman elected to the county commission.
Vanessa Lee is a former Riviera Beach councilwoman living now in Texas.
She also is a former teacher of Avion Lawson, at West Palm Beach’s Gold Coast Academy alternative school, who says of the Dunbar Village trial defendants:
“I am so disappointed, that nobody has stepped up. These boys are not even being tried by a jury of their peers," referring to the all-white juries in the simultaneous trials of co-defendants Tommy Poindexter and Nathan Walker.
Lee shared related observations during an interview late Tuesday.
That was Lawson’s first day as a prosecution witness, pleading guilty in the brutal sexual assault and battery by multiple teenagers, against a mother and son, at the West Palm Beach housing development two years ago, in hopes of lessening a possible life sentence for the crimes.
Said Lee:
“I have all the sympathy in world for that mother and that child, because, something went wrong that night.
“But I’ve talked to some people that say she’s not as innocent as people want to let her be believed to be.
Speaking as one who knows well the city’s various housing “projects” and the people who live in them, Lee said.
“People don’t hold up people in the projects who live there. They might hold up a stranger coming through. But those kids live there.
“Something went wrong that night. And I don’t think we have heard the story. And they have manipulated the youngest one in that group, and the one who has the least ability or capacity, to think he’s doing the right thing.”
Lee describes conditions in West Palm Beach’s alternative schools, in Dunbar and among the defendants in subsequent posts.
15th Street entrance to Dunbar Village, now blocked for securityC.B. Hanif for WAOD:
Her late father, Percy Lee, was longtime director of the Palm Beach County Urban League. Her mother, Maude Ford Lee, was the first African American woman elected to the county commission.
Vanessa Lee is a former Riviera Beach councilwoman living now in Texas.
She also is a former teacher of Avion Lawson, at West Palm Beach’s Gold Coast Academy alternative school, who says of the Dunbar Village trial defendants:
“I am so disappointed, that nobody has stepped up. These boys are not even being tried by a jury of their peers" — a reference to the all-white juries in the simultaneous trials that Circuit Court Judge Krista Marx is conducting of co-defendants Tommy Poindexter and Nathan Walker.
Lee shared related observations during an interview late Tuesday.
That was Lawson’s first day as a prosecution witness, pleading guilty, in hopes of lessening a possible life sentence, in the brutal sexual assault and battery by multiple teenagers, against a mother and son, at the West Palm Beach housing development two years ago.
Said Lee:
“I have all the sympathy in world for that mother and that child, because, something went wrong that night.
“But I’ve talked to some people that say she’s not as innocent as people want to let her be believed to be.
Speaking with the credibility of one who well knows the city’s various housing “projects” and the people who live in them, Lee said:
“People don’t hold up people in the projects who live there. They might hold up a stranger coming through. But those kids live there.
“Something went wrong that night. And I don’t think we have heard the story. And they have manipulated the youngest one in that group, and the one who has the least ability or capacity, to think he’s doing the right thing.”
Lee shares insights on West Palm Beach’s alternative schools, Dunbar Village, the trial defendants and their friends in subsequent posts.
****NOTE FROM GEM2001, BLOG ADMINISTRATOR********
This is NOT CB Hanif, this is Gina, and I'm interrupting my morning routine because I cannot ABIDE the thought of this post sitting out here ALL DAY LONG and letting Lee DEFAME the victim in the Dunbar Village case using the platform I BUILT!. So I have requested that he post the entire interview. Today.
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This is one of the worst cases of playing "blame the victim" that I think I've seen.
None of us are as innocent as we'd like to be, but that doesn't make us liable for being gang raped in our own home. Sometimes people need to learn to walk away from the media. Like Ben Franklin said "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
How dare you? If you are example of the kind of teachers they have in Florida there is no wonder the children are violent, irresponsible and illiterate.
The victim and her family deserve nothing except our empathy and support. I am so sick of Black women making excuses for these sorry-tail kids. You are just as immature as the kids you teach. Gossipping and spreading b.s. instead of holding the perpetrators responsible.
I think the mothers and fathers of these worthless, violent monsters ought to be in jail doing time with them- day for day. Lawson's mother ran out and got pregnant by 6 different men and didn't bother to parent a single one of her children. She produced a child that is disgustingly inhuman and everybody will be better off while he is serving his 49 years.
Maybe she should experience a similar crime to gain some insight since she thinks there's more to it that what's being discussed. Then she can have other women comb through her life and question it.
Y'all have very short memories. Maude Ford lee is the one that lead the NAACP protest on behalf of the Dunbar Village gang rapists. But I'll be posting more on her later.
The NAACP stopped being of any value to our people years ago.
Quote: "“People don’t hold up people in the projects who live there. They might hold up a stranger coming through. But those kids live there."
This is like the twilight zone or something. We don't steal from people we like and know...only those we don't??? EVEN IF THAT'S TRUE AND WE KNOW IT ISN'T --- What part of your brain would tell your mouth to say that AND think it sounds reasonable.
Quote: “Something went wrong that night.
It's amazing to me the lengths people are willing to go to...The moment you step into my house without my permission...something has gone wrong.
Quote: "And I don’t think we have heard the story. And they have manipulated the youngest one in that group, and the one who has the least ability or capacity, to think he’s doing the right thing.”
The youngest one has taken a tiny bit of responsibility for his actions (in an attempt to save his own skin).
What would this Ms. Lee think would be the right thing to do? We need to do some psychological testing on some of these people...the Lee's of the world. They walk around amongst us...blending in...seemingly sane.
And, as for jury of their peers...where would we really find this group. Wouldn't you have to find a group of juvenile delinquents hell bent on destroying their own communities to find PEERS? I assure you...she doesn't want US on the jury.
@gem2001, thanks for your comment here; I was thinking the same thing.
So all or most of the so called "leaders" are making some type of excuse for this crime? "She's not as innocent as believed to be." What the $%^* does that mean? Are you saying she must have done something to bring all of that on herself AND her son? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR $%^& MIND? Ms. Lee, you and I should both pray we never meet in person.
As I've said before, yes, many people, organizations and institutions have clearly failed the teens who committed this terrible crime against humanity. But that being the case, they must be punished. How does a crime of robbery for money and jewelry make such a leap to also include gang rape and forced incest AT GUNPOINT? If this happened at approx. 10:30 pm in the evening, why were these teen boys out at night? What is the curfew for teens in West Palm Beach? Did any of the parents establish curfew for their children? Where are the fathers of these teen boys? Do they each already have criminal records? As a Christian and as a human being, I truly believe in redemption and rehabilitation, but in this case, there is nothing to do with these teens but put them in jail, for life as far as I'm concerned. They are not even sorry for what they did, they are sorry they got caught! :( :(
Correction. This isn't Maude, this is Vanessa. There may be some relation, but they aren't the same person, but it would explain last year's press conference.
Vanessa is Maude Ford Lee's daughter. THIS explains EVERYTHING.
Listen, stop trying to blame the Lee's for what's wrong here. It's just another opinion. It's easy to sit back a critisize from a distance, but from what I know about the Lee's they only want equal justice. The real question is not about the Lee's but about our justice system. Why is it that White boys can commit rape, be out on bond, and receive probation. But, Black boys are tried as adults, no bond, and further when is the last time two people are tried together with seperate jurys and might I add jurors not of their peers. It's simple justice for one for all. No one is saying these boys shouldn't be punished, but justice for whites is not justice for blacks. That's all! Ms. Lee and her late husband Percy Lee have done more for standing up in the Black community than anyone. Don't forget how Mr. Percy Lee died! Standing up to Nancy Graham. Yes those boys should be punished but so should the white boys. Just wait Black people! Riviera Beach you're next
Vanessa Lee sounds like a fool, the Dunbar case is not some drunk college student rape case in some he said, she said mess, there was a break in, robbery etc.
"Something went wrong that night" ?????? She is a fool something going wrong means that an accident happened and rape and robbery by no means classify as an accident. Someone please revoke her teaching license if she has one. Does she even have a Bachelors degree? Because she is sounding really crazy right now.
And what in the world is wrong with this chapter of the NAACP, they supporting defendants even when the victim is black. I thought they for supporting defendants who have gotten convicted although there was no evidence.
If she wants to help kids the best thing she can do is create opportunities for them, not condoning anti social behavior of the Dunbar Village thugs. And I notice she fighting to put them back on the streets of Florida while she is living in Texas.
What is going on in Florida? Everyday on the news something totally out of this world happens there.
@ Concerned. Those other case they are comparing Dunbar to is one of those drunk high school students partying in the woods he said/she said cases. Its a totally different type of case.
How about when the victims is black the system doesn't try as hard to prosecute thats the race battle y'all should be fighting. Instead of fighting for folk who have DNA evidence of a crime commited! I mean bleach, ammonia, forced incest! Let me stop before I type a curse word
@ Concerned. Those other case they are comparing Dunbar to is one of those drunk high school students partying in the woods he said/she said cases. Its a totally different type of case.
How about when the victims is black the system doesn't try as hard to prosecute when the victims are black, thats the race battle y'all should be fighting. Instead of fighting for folk who have DNA evidence of a crime commited! I mean bleach, ammonia, forced incest! Let me stop before I type a curse word
Concerned... are you Vanessa or Maude Ford Lee? And what do white people have to do with anything here?
Stop trying to change the subject.
So, Vanessa MUST HAVE created those fliers that the NAACP so vigorously denied any involvement in distributing.
I hate the NAACP. This all makes so much sense now.
Concerned,
I want you to STOP attempting to mitigate the severity of this gang rape on a BLACK woman by attempting to paint her black RAPISTS as victims.
I honestly don't care about what white people do to each other and thanks to organizations like the NAACP I don't have to worry about what white people do to blacks. WHEN WILL MAUDE STAND FOR AND WITH THE BLACK VICTIM WHEN THE PERP IS ALSO BLACK!!! The NAACP made its position crystal clear 2 years ago when Gina starting taking them and other organizations to task about their "immoral indifference" about the Dunbar Village Rape. Richard McIntyre actually stated that the NAACP's mission is soleley committed to the Advancement of colored people when that Advancement is impeded by white people. Spare me the lamenting about the problems of our justice system and its inherent unfairness. Those little bastards didn't think about that while they were torturing, sodomizing, and raping that woman and her son; they shouldn't be concerned with it now.
I'm "concerned" that your type of thinking is what contributes to this problem.
@concerned
What white people do or do not do is not the issue here. Go on a forum about THAT case and whine if you're so inclined.
Black people need to get some standards and start acting like adults. When black teens do something wrong, don't start acting like an ignorant child with snot in their nose, pointing the finger and whining BUT THEY WERE DOING IT TOOOOOO...Take responsiblity for the fact that we are not raising these young people properly. One of the chief problems is women like Lee making excuses for RAPISTS. Where are our standards, Black people?? When are we going to stop supporting rapists like mystikal and r. kelly? There is no excuse for sexual abuse. I don't care who is doing it.
Lee is a RAPIST LOVER. And anyone who defends her deserves the title too. RAPIST LOVERS.
Hating on the NAACP, and other's who stand up and stand out for the rights of ALL Blacks sounds like the clan. You can take your hoods off now!
Where's this lady's boyfriend? From what I hear he's spending the hush! money she gave him. And from what I hear she surely didn't come to court dressed like a million dollars. All for sympathy? Get real. The State Attorney's office is trying to make a name for themselves by way of these Black boys. Yes, I agree they should be punished, but did all adults do their due diligence in this case? I don't think so. Stop hating on Ms. Lee, she wouldn't hurt a fly. And that's real!
I see you don't post ALL comments, eh'? Tell dem' massa' dey kin' tak' offum' dey hoods sir'
Massa' yall' kin' tak' dem' hoods off now, ser'
Hey, Blkchik, you must not know Vanessa. She's probably out working with your bad a** child right now. Stop hating, cause there are people out there who are not afraid to stand up when it's so apparently wrong. And also, do spell check or gammar check first before posting. Thanks
The trolls have come out to play.
Exactly BLKSeaGoat.
I hope black women are paying close attention to all of this, especially those still wondering if they're being "gaslighted" or not. (Thanks Khadija!!!)
Hating the most overused phrase especially used by folks who have nothing worth hating on.
@gem2001, clearly your blogspot has now become infested, infected with some nasty germ-like folks who wish to make lame #$% excuses for teen age rapists. How sad.
That being said, to "concerned" and "what the ???" and "what the ()&", your confusion, dishonesty and spinelessness will not work here. Since you find our opinions here not to your liking, please go over to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, et.al. Good riddance!
Since you want to make excuses for rapists, on a blog spot like a coward, cause right now, you can't say this stuff publicly in West Palm Beach because you would be denounced as the real traitor that you are, I will suggest you do what some else suggested, invite these "railroaded young boys" to your house for house arrest, let them live in your house with your sons and daughters, ok? If all you responsible adults in West Palm Beach were doing your job, we wouldn't be having this convesation; there would be a "jury of their peers" who would look at the evidence, confession of Poindexter, testimony of A. Lawson, testimony of the mother the victim AND still convict these rapists and give them life in jail. That's it! :(
@ YME co-sign and applause
I don't care if this woman was Attila the Hun reborn, nothing she did before the rape/torture and nothing she or hers have done after (in ref to What the *() ) justifies what happened to her, or is any excuse/justification, or makes her attackers less guilty.
Oh, and I am not sure if Ms. Lee got the memo, but the woman's SON was also attacked, so, if she cares about kids who live in DV, what about this young man? Or does he not count?
IGNORE THE TROLL. Vanessa will stop commenting once people stop responding to her.
More and more each day I am seeing the " Genarlow Wilson effect" come to play. What's GWE you ask? The effect is characterized by several element: 1) poverty and naviete are used as excuses for crimes; 2) the intergity of the female (generally a poor or working class black female) is called into question because some us of are hot-blooded and we need all the d*** we can get; emphasis is placed on whether or not the victim said no or put up a fight because if you are too drunk to protest or paralyzed by fear your rapist would be compassionate enough to stop; and finally someone from a "progressive" organization must scream RACISM because the black boys or men are being railroaded by a corrupt crimnal justice system.
I noticed that some are making a distinction between the Dunbar village rape and "date rape". There isn't one in my opinion. Most are crimes should be punished to the full extent of the law.
@ "concerned" and the other two cowardly fools,
if you know who the other rapists are, if you know or know someone who may know the whereabouts of Melvin Young and Gus Fontaine, immediately get off this blog and call the anonymous police tip line and tell them where they are so that these teen terrorists are not roaming the streets looking for their next
victim(s). Who knows, you may even get a $25,000 reward. :(
Why hasn't WPB police done anything to find the others?
about Concerned...
OOOOOhhh....I get it now! Individuals like Concerned are so caught up in "THE MOVEMENT"...that victims like this woman and her son are simply "expendable". You see "THE MOVEMENT" requires that we look for crimes committed against black people by white people ONLY.
When crimes are committed against black women and black children by youth WHO TO ME ARE BLACK IN COMPLEXION ONLY...we should quietly ignore it...because it doesn't push "THE NONEXISTENT MOVEMENT's" purpose.
We should continue to allow our very own neighborhoods to be overrun by thugs, rapists, etc... because of ??? What??? It furthers "THE MOVEMENT's" purpose of keeping the "White people are all keeping us down?" crutch.
I'm sorry. This is about taking our freedom. Instead of white supremacy...now we've got black supremacy. But, the purpose (make no mistake) is the same. Only the hoods turned from white to black.
It is to restrict the upward mobility of black people with a different kind of shackle. Don't say this...don't say that. If you wear a perm...you don't love yourself. Rap that degrades women and encourages misconduct is the expression of a repressed artist.
This is a bunch of foolishness.
And, that's why this roving band of rapists are to be protected. Because its better apparently to people like "Concerned", that our entire community suffers than for us to shed light on this problem. Concerned doesn't care about these rapists. Don't believe that for a moment.
Concerned cares about having an overriding mentality of black victimization. Well, we're tired of being anyone's victims. We don't discriminate.
Foolishness...Foolishness...Foolishness. I am officially in the business of rejecting all foolishness, today. See me tomorrow.
Lovelle Mixon got a parade in Oakland with multiple murders, assaults and parole violations.
When will the DV attackers get their celebrated march through town?
I mean with all "des white boys" running free from rape charges, we have to show support our boys, right????
Here's an idea for a banner "I RAPE, YOU RUN" Welcome to Dunbar Village.
@Rev Mama Africa,
OMG, Here you are assisting the "white man" in jailing more of our young black men. Melvin Young and Gus Fontaine just made a mistake in life ...in fact let's give THEM the $25,000 to try to start their lives again and get beyond this awful tragedy.
I mean, that Haitian lady can't be in such bad shape...I hear she has been wearing very nice clothes lately and eating nice meals.
SMH
"I noticed that some are making a distinction between the Dunbar village rape and “date rape”. There isn’t one in my opinion."
I disagree. In my opinion there is a distinction. Dunbar Village was a home invasion that turned into a rape, torture, and beating. Date rape is way more varied. Sure there are stories of men drugging women to rape them while they are unconscious. That is certainly true. But there are also date rape accusations made that boil down to a “he said, she said” scenario.
Take the case of a man who meets a women and they have what he thought was consensual sex. The next day the police are knocking at his door to make an arrest. I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t want to live in a country where I can be arrested based solely on word of mouth. There has to be some physical evidence. That’s why a victim’s credibility is called into question during a rape trial.
However in the Dunbar Village case, what people seem to forget is this was a home invasion and burglary that eventually turned into a brutal rape and torture scenario. Why the victim’s credibility is being called into question is a mystery to me. What happened to this woman and her son was not date rape. I’m not trying to minimize the crime of rape, but instead trying to put things into perspective with what happened at Dunbar Village.
@knockoutchick, I hear you! :)
but hey, if a person doesn't want to be treated like a criminal, then don't act a criminal; if you don't want to be treated like an imperialist, don't act like an imperialist . . . I will fight back . . . by any means necessary! :)
This is pure speculation by a person (Lee) who, to my knowledge, doesn't know anyone in the case and hasn't read any reports. Like gem2001 said earlier, the defense has admitted the rape and are now just fighting over to what degree their clients were involved. I don't know anymore than what's reported either but I do know that no matter what a person may have done or did not do in their past, no matter what they may or may not have been involved in presently and no matter whether they did something the day before or an hour before the attack to anger these animals (the suspects), they didn't deserve what happened and there is no way you can fake the type of injuries that happened to them. There is no excuse. The system and this trial is there to make sure the state proves its burden so we know that we have the right animals, that they are guilty and that they are punished accordingly. And yes maybe some were more brutal than others but at no time did anyone say stop and at no time did anyone have regrets and turn in themselves or their coharts later.
Sorry folks but this case just shows the way we as a people are falling down on raising a number of our boys. And as you see they are turning around to enact this violence on us.
“I am so disappointed, that nobody has stepped up. These boys are not even being tried by a jury of their peers” — a reference to the all-white juries in the simultaneous trials that Circuit Court Judge Krista Marx is conducting of co-defendants Tommy Poindexter and Nathan Walker.
If Vanessa Lee would have done a little research, she would have learned that a jury of your peers does not have to be made up of members of your own race. The Sixth Amendment says you have the right to a jury of your peers. That jury only has to be made up of random, impartial citizens from the community.
There was a U.S. Court of Appeals decision in 1993 that determined that an all-white jury did not infringe on a black defendant’s right to an impartial jury.
http://openjurist.org/8/f3d/1187/united-states-v-nururdin
@KnockOutChick,
Those animals helped THEMSELVES get locked up by committing such a terrible crime. Black people have to take responsibility for our own actions!
Would they be in jail if they weren't violent rapists?? And that's white people's fault?
Real Afrikan Americans believe in responsibility, PARENTING, and the power of family and FAITH. We do not agree with all these people like Lee the RAPIST LOVER who want to make excuses for ignorant, animalistic thugs. Just because we are Black does not mean we don't have standards. Raping, robbing, and assaulting people are NOT Afrikan American family values. I say lock every one of them up for the rest of their lives. Being Black does not mean it's okay to be a criminal!
And if you are so worried about the white man locking us up, stop committing crime and teach your children the difference between right and wrong. Teach them some responsibility.
As a Black person, I think these defendants should be punished TWICE as much because the people they attacked are also Black. Haven't we been through enough as a people? Now we have to worry about these filthy, worthless monsters forcing us to have sex with our own babies??? These people are anti-Afrikan and they deserve whatever they are going to get. Just like it was wrong for the Germans to slaughter the Jews, it's wrong to destroy Black families and rape Black women. It destroys the family structure and that's genocide. This is sickness and genocide and everybody who is making excuses for it is a rapist lover.
Duane,
Most of the time rape IS based on someone's word because too often rape victims seldom report the rape after it occurred. All it takes is 24 hours for any "physical evidence" to degrade.
The "rape kit" process for documenting a rape is invasive, demeaning, embarrasing, and shell-shocking itself. Only a person with questionable mental health would lie about something like that because it opens them up to those types of processes.
In cases where he said she said happens, you're right there is slight tilt in the balance of what is fair, but out of the hundreds of thousands of rapes that occur, those cases are few, far and in between. The accused rapist, if innocent an proven to be innocent has recourse, even if it only civil. The accuser can also be held criminally liable for their actions. So, I see no distinction. rape is rape regardless of what happens before or after the rape.
Taharah,
I so wanna co-sign what you wrote. I hold black people to a higher standard. Comparing what whites do and get away with means NOTHING to me. My chief concern is the evi that black people do to each other and the ACCEPTANCE of that evil as some badge of racial solidarity.
"But, Black boys are tried as adults, no bond, and further when is the last time two people are tried together with seperate jurys and might I add jurors not of their peers. It’s simple justice for one for all. "
Just so you know....Juveniles are tried as adults all the time. The decision is made based on prior criminal history and the severity of the current case.
Bifurcation - a term you might not know, is two separate trials run concurrent with separate juries. Happens all the time when there are multiple defendants, but the defenses are different, such as this case where each defendant is arguing his culpability is less than the other.
No bond? No problem. These defendants has no assets or means to post against what surely would have been a million dollar bond. And even if they did, the heinous nature of this crime would have caused the judge to believe they would flee given the chance.
All white jury? If I had a nickel for everytime that happened, I would retire to Tahiti. If none were in the jury pool, then there's no challenge. If the prosecutor stuck potential black jurors from this jury, there might be an issue, but the case law from the Supreme Court makes that a seriously uphill battle.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
There is a huge swath of the black population that is genuinely incapable of feeling any form of revulsion toward the most sickening behaviors (if they are committed by black males).
They have joyfully embraced moral bankruptcy, and have condemned themselves to complete and utter spiritual blindness.
This is why they can ignore the raping, pillaging, murdering in our neighborhoods; only when it affects them personally can their anger be raised.
Do not waste your time talking to the walking dead.
Listen don't crucify Lee, cause she worked with they kids. From what I understand, that's the point she's trying to make. These kids grow up in the areas they do, learning all types of bad behaviors and make a mistake and are not given a second chance at life. Punish them for what they did, also punish the adults who could have prevented this, and also don't throw them away. If it took 14-16 years for these kids to become what made them do this. In another 14-16 years they can be taught to do anything. Some of the comments being made, must be coming from people who either don't know what they're talking about or have never worked around these type of children. The things they do are bad, but aren't we as a people ultimately responsible? The real question is what can we do to make sure this don't happen again. There are a lot of programs (supposedly) out there to assist parents who have to work multiple jobs to maintain, but in the meantime there are a lot of kids out there just doing whatever. That really should stop. And I'm not here to get into a match with anyone, but just trying to make sure before we throw away the key, we're sure. We have enough innocent Black men (and white) in jail erroneously.
Thank you.
Concerned actually encapsulates everything Gina has fought against. The pathology is crystal clear and is vile.
CRIC uses de-blackening (Klan comment) to (1) protect predatory black males at the expense of black people, females in particular (2) maintain dynastic political power, in order to appeal to the white power structure and black pocketbooks.
The only thing that matters is the color of the assailant, cause if those boys were white, CRIC could march to appeal to yt guilt and raise donations. There is no payoff in them being black.
Gina, all, please accept my apologies for the next comment. I am so disgusted my teeth are set on edge.
I feel the need to shout.
IF THE SYSTEM IS SO G.D. CORRUPT, WHY NOT AVOID IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO POUR BLEACH ON A WOMAN'S GENITALS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FORCE A CHILD TO PERFORM ACTS ON HIS MOTHER AT GUNPOINT.
THE MONEY ISSUE IS LEGALLY IRRELEVANT. SHE IS NOT ON TRIAL FOR BAD CHECKS; SHE AND HER SON ARE THE VICTIMS OF A BRUTAL GANG RAPE. BRINGING IT UP IS A VIOLATION OF HER CIVIL RIGHTS AND IS UNJUST. YOU HAVE THE GALL TO MOAN ABOUT THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AND PUT THE RAPE VICTIM ON TRIAL IN THE SAME BREATH
and you attempt to humor this blog by deigning to acknowledge that "something" happened.
Your apathy towards this black woman, perversion and pimping of justice when it suits your purpose sickens me to the point of utter contempt for not only you, but your organization.
You want to talk about yt folks i.e., the power structure that marches are designed to persuade? I grew up around yt folks let me explain to you how the targets of your begging see you. Dunbar Village is one incident that is part of a larger pattern that has serious implications for blacks - the underclass in particular. As this pertains to someone so concerned, I suggest you take heed.
>>Those that know are horrified by what they know about crime in black hoods.
They see marches: for programs, no justice no peace. They don't see you marching against criminals. They don't see you Taking Back the Night.
They see your version of justice as centered around some dude with a rap sheet built on black pain. They DON'T see you screaming for justice for ACTUAL CRIME VICTIMS.
It's not that they necessarily think the justice system is infallible ( oj :) ). It's just that they see "stop snitchin" instead of "we want justice so we're marching for better police protection of our witnesses."
They don't see the emotionalism about the victim. Moreover, they don't see rage directed toward the perpetrators. They don't see the perp's mom walking with her head down and avoiding cameras (like normal folk do). They don't see shame.
It is really quite perplexing.
So they figure that black people really don't care about themselves. If black folks don't care, why the hell should they.
Maybe they blame "black culture"; maybe they blame "genetics". As you are concerned about the white power structure, be concerned about this:
Then they enact zoning, loitering, planning laws that keep black folks from economic life, politically-contained and -most importantly- the hell away from them.
Yeah, I went there. I live in a gentrifying city and look at the big picture. I hate the stark economic disparities I see. But, I hate Nathan Walkers even more and would do everything to keep them the hell away from me.
As the demographics are a changing, your guilt account is running low and does not work on newer Americans. Imagine how these rapists treat Mr. Kim the storeowner, who does not have the collective memory that a sane white person would have. Note, that in many political districts (like So. Florida for example) black folks are losing political clout (zoning's a bitch ain't it). The replacements are Latin or Asian, people who don't have the collective memory (or yt guilt). But they do share the sordid present and have experienced unchecked dysfunction. When they lobby and vote, they will go by what the see and experience.
You can't beg people to treat you like you're human when you explicitly or implicitly support, condone, or ignore savagery. You can't beg for justice, when you are not only unjust...but are downright cruel.
The choice is yours.
@Shecodes
Wise words. Does anyone know if the closing arguments are being streamed or if there will be audio available like there was for the victim's testimoy?
@ TaharkahX, you can get audio and video of this trial at palmbeachpost.com, the local daily newspaper that is covering this trial as well as Twitter by Bro. C.B. Hanif. The reporter for the Palm Beach Post is also covering the trial on Twitter.
AND IT IS INDEED CHILLING. This is why I have absolutely no respect for negroes who support rapists like "concerned" and the other two fools who posted above. :(
@Concerned
Quote: "Ms. Lee and her late husband Percy Lee have done more for standing up in the Black community than anyone. Don’t forget how Mr. Percy Lee died! Standing up to Nancy Graham."
WTH??? Clearly, I've missed an important moment in Black American History. But, I see no reason why Ms. Lee's heritage lends credence to her rather warped reasoning.
Quote: "Yes those boys should be punished but so should the white boys."
What white boys??? I agree with BlkSeaGoat. We should expect "even more" from our own, not less.
Quote: "Just wait Black people! Riviera Beach you’re next"
Next for what???
Will we also rape and pillage and then be tried by white juries??? This is so befuddling.
In all honesty I am glad these boys are NOT being tried by a jury of their peers. Given what we've heard from relatives and family friends who've interacted with these boys it's clear to me that the vast majority of their peers are morally bankrupt and severely depraved. I wouldn't trust a single one of them to deliver a fair and just verdict because they aren't capable of the sound reasoning and empathy for fellow human beings that is required to do so. Reading the statements of Ms. Lee, Ms. Walker and others this is becoming increasingly clear. These individuals (and those who defend them) promulgate a value system that is completely skewed. Now there are trolls on this blog that have come to defend these little monsters! They are more concerned with these young men being "railroaded" than with removing dangerous criminals from the streets of their OWN communities. To the Walker's, Lee's, trolls, etc.: I wouldn't trust a single one of you to deliver a just verdict. Your values are so perverted and skewed you wouldn't know justice if it bit you on the a$$.
LaJane: Thanks for deconstructing that fantastical exercise in psychological projection. You're on point with every observation you made.
@LaJane
Yeah! I think that sums it up.