Wednesday
May062009
Rest in Peace Emanuel Wesley Murray (3 Months Old)-
Wednesday, May 6, 2009 at 8:01AM The Blogmother 
To all the members of the Violent Enabler's Society (VES) whining and complaining about the fact that we acknowledge when innocent babies are brutally murdered, I'll stop posting about them when fully grown people stop murdering children. I continue to be amazed that you have no concern about these dead children, but are lamenting at the bad PR. ..
You've seen this story before on this blog.
- Young mother.
- In relationship with history of violence and drug use.
- Tiny infant.
- Non-biological father gains access to tiny infant.
- Infant dies brutal death.
- Repeat
Oh and you absolutely MUST watch the video of this suspect's response "It's a dirty game."
A man suspected of throwing an infant from a car on Florida’s Interstate 275 this morning has been arrested.
The 3-month-old baby was pronounced dead at 4:30 a.m. after being found on the highway’s shoulder.
McTear was asked about the crime as he was lead from a patrol car to the Hillsborough sheriff’s department’s headquarters.
“It’s a dirty game,“ he said. “It’s a dirty game.“
The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office said the baby, Emanuel Wesley Murray, was the son of 17-year-old Jasmine Bedwell of Tampa, who called 911 just after 3 a.m. to report a domestic dispute.
According to the sheriff’s office, Bedwell told investigators that McTear, her ex-boyfriend, had come to her apartment where he argued with her and battered her and her son.
McTear is not the child’s father, deputies said.
At one point during the argument, McTear threw the child to the concrete...
Last month, Bedwell sought an injunction against McTear for domestic violence. She didn’t appear in court Monday, and the case was dropped.
Bedwell claimed McTear had violent tendencies, was armed and dangerous and had a drug problem, court records show. SOURCE
Irrespective of the "Don't Make Us Look Bad" Violent Enablers Society's frequent laments of acknowledging in ANY way the deaths of young Black children at the hands of other Black people, I'm thinking about embargoing these types of stories unless the people emailing them to me, send me a freaking solution. Because somebody tell me what to do with a 17 year old girl with a 3 month old baby by another man, in a violent relationship with a 22 year old who has a DOCUMENTED history of " violent tendencies, and being armed and dangerous"
What? Do we need a national campaign to tell people that the most important decision you will ever make in your life is who you chose to "parent" with? Do we need a PSA warning fathers that exposure to non-biological boyfriends places children in physical peril? Heck even bears understand this concept!
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I don't have a solution Gina. I really don't. I can't even get this timeline around my head. Did she start dating this guy while she was still pregnant? It boggles my mind that within three months of giving birth she was already involved with this man and now her baby is dead.
Maybe we do need PSAs. I don't know. The most dangerous person in your child's life is an unrelated male living in the same home. Especially if the child is black and male. We've known that for more than a decade now. Maybe it's time that we get real and start saying it out loud.
Would it make a difference? Probably not. These young girls are so desperate, AND stupid and were apparently raised by wolves themselves. Nope, scratch that, wolves take care of their young. Jackals? Hyenas maybe. Damn!
A PSA about domestic violence and its many forms is a very good idea.
i hate to be the one that points this out, but what do you think the odds are this kid would have grown up to be a productive member of society? its very likely from his environment that he would have been another gang banger thug, the guy your scared to stand next to in the grocery line. hes had a mother jumping from man to man (prisoner to prisoner) with multiple convictions herself. the mother should be held accountable for subjecting her child to this type of person to begin with.
When did it become normal to date violent men with criminal records in our community? I remember when my cousin went to jail for dealing drugs back in the 80s no one in the family even wanted to take his collect phone calls. Now complete strangers are taken these type of men into their home with their children? Has violence and criminal records just come as part of a lifestyle for some people that women thinks its ok to date this type of guys?
There's that word, 'community' again. There is no black 'community.' There's nothing but rampaging hordes of jackals preying on women and children.
You're right about the bears. She-bears avoid adult male bears like the plague when they have cubs because the cubs safety is their #1 priority *ahem* and they know that male bears will kill their young. Same thing with lions. That baby was so beautiful, if she didn't have the good sense to keep him safe, she should have put him up for adoption. Could you imagine being the guy who found the baby?
why does it have to be a black thing? why cant it just be a guy that threw a kid from the car?
@zoopath... are you trying to compare black people with animals? are you saying that blacks are nothing more than animals such as lions or bears and black men cant live with the young of another male in the population?
Sex education, Actual family planning, legalized abortions, wider access to condoms, birth control (that is actually covered by insurance both public and private), adoption, and sterilization (optional of course, but discussed as a viable solution for those who are fertile, but incapable of rearing children).
Gina, I respect your position on abortion. However, there are some people who just shouldn't be having kids! A 16 year old in this day and age does NOT have the capacity to effectively rear a child. Heck, they don't even have enough good judgement to pick a partner! Youthful indiscretion aside, some people should be banned from procreating. It's a radical stance, but I don't know how else to deal with this. Of course my response to this is knee-jerk in nature, but when you have people engaging in sexual activity where the creation of another life and STDs are casual afterthoughts, it seems reasonable to me.
For whomever I may offend by feeling this way, please accept my apologies now.
@ blkseagoat........... best solution ive heard so far. i take no offense..
Once we get over the inital shock of these stories, then we can address some possible solutions. The solutions may partly be in that when these older men are impregnating young girls, that the mothers (or both parents) have these men prosecuted for the statutory rape they committed. Many times we find the mothers are complicit in these doomed relationships if the man is giving her money or helping to pay bills. WTH?
It got so bad here in Virginia that the state Dept. of Health started a campaigned targeted the grown-A men called: "Isn't she A Little Young"? I thought that was softball and a much harsher campaign should have been enacted. But laws were already on the books just not being very well enforced. It was discovered that the majority of young black girls giving birth (and getting abortions) named the fathers as men (or boys) way older and therefore guilty of statutory rape. But the age of consent here is 15 and these misguided girls think they are in love or have low self esteem. http://www.vahealth.org/Injury/sexualviolence/varapelaws/
I'm afraid that really is only part of the solution. The major part may be teaching black men how to treat and respect black women. This is a big problem that has been acknowledged but how it is addressed or fixed is a different issue all together. Other than teaching boys from birth, I don't know else can be done. How can we deprogram these men and boys from all the messages they have been given from their environments and ugh, communities?
I am sorry, I know you must be angry as am I, but maybe this should be as high on Pres. Obama's agenda as all the other national security issues. Black women and children are at risk of being killed more by a black man than anyone else.
As a bw, our national security really is at an extremely high level threat. OK, so I say Fed and State government intervention to "the dirty game." I can almost guarantee it's going to come back to one's upbringing and home life. Some defense attorney is going to give an attempt at evoking sympathy from a jury by talking about how this man never had a chance (and maybe he didn't, but he made choices). He'll talk about his mother raising him and his 5 siblings on her own and him being left to the streets. I am speculating but the story is a very familiar one in our courts and again ugh, communities.
These women are actually planning their families, but they are planning them based on what the government is gonna give them.
What the government needs to stop doing is giving housing vouchers and financial assistance to teen moms. Its almost like an incentive for some people to have these kids they have no idea to take care of. The governments is giving them money to survive, while someone their same age went to college is struggling balancing work and school and barely getting by with no housing vouchers and money for food from the gov't.
Where is the baby's father? Why isn't his name in the paper? What are his thoughts on this dirty game? Where is his family? He is to blame after the murderer.
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blkseagoat~I hear you. I do not want to force anyone to do something against their will. There is a sordid history of forced sterilization. But..I'm so sick and tired about us railing against abortion and the history of Planned Parenthood. Blacks Pro-life? Really?
[as an ancillary matter]
Many arguments-ostensibly based on responsibility- against abortion thinly disguise a desire to punish WOMEN for having sex (to wit, "you made your bed now lie in it") That's not surprising considering our propensity for religion.
I find nothing crueler than carrying cells to term, giving birth, than slowly killing a live human with neglect...or allowing him/her to be in a situation where he/she will be slammed on the pavement and thrown out of the car.
Margaret Sanger aint got nothin on this monster.
I could think of nothing worse than more limited access to birth control and abortion. Romania during the Ceaucescu era. Most of the kids in foster care are black and will never be adopted, do we really need to make it worse?
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This is the SECOND time I've heard of a black man slamming an infant on the concrete. It happened in ATL a little over a decade ago. He picked a 6 mo old up and slammed him on the concrete repeatedly...in front of the baby's grandfather.
Btw, male hippos will kill a baby hippo it didn't sire as well. The other females in the herd try to protect it. This was on Animal Planet and damn near brought my jaded self to tears.
This will happen as long as males abandon their families. Neither Jesus nor the Gubmint can help you. Guys...you can't abandon your children. It's on you.
I read this story on CNN. It is horrifying that this happened and continues to happen mainly among young mothers. I don't agree that it's a "black thing" or even a "black male thing" as we have plenty of documented cases proving otherwise. It happens across cultures and economic classes unfortunately. Education is the only solution. Obviously, parents or the singular cannot do it alone. We as a community should have the ability to step up and raise children together, be concerned for them together, be in collective agreement of the importance of fostering a healthy, intelligent culture for future generations. There are so many complex solutions we could come up with, but recognizing each of the contributing factors to the problems leading up to girls engaging in dangerous relationships with violent men coupled with teen pregnancy, guidance, independence, living situation. The list is endless... and I'm afraid I am all over the place so I'm going to end my mini rant.
RIP little guy
It's my hope that justice is dealt accordingly.
What did he mean, 'It's a dirty game.'? While I don't have a solution, I definitely do believe we cannot continue the current domestic violence conversation. It's not working. If anything, people now know how to work around the system, i.e., simply not showing up to court, etc. If we stopped treating the violators with sympathetic kid gloves, and gave them harsher punishments, real true child advocation, and perhaps even doling out punishments for those who return to or support/protect the violator, then possibly some might think twice. I don't know; I feel hopeless about this matter.
I don't have a solution either, but I can say I could have been this girl 15 years ago. I had my son when I was 16 and daughter at 19(same dad). He was 22 and uncle wanted to press charges my mother said damage was done. He hasn't consistenly been in there lives, but they know him. When my kids were 6 and 3 I started dating a co-worker. He's a good guy and had custody of his son. I stayed with him for 8 years(just broke up) mostly because he was good to my children and I didn't want them around other people. So here I am at 31, alone and will be at least for the next 7 years(youngest is 11). This is the reason I can not just causally date people, its to much going on in this world. I just told my daughter yesterday, do not let people know where you live, meet him in a public place in your own vehicle. I say all this to say maybe I can understand her, but I thank God I had enough sense to not put my children in that position.
The baby's biological father is currently in jail also, according the article.
What? Do we need a national campaign to tell people that the most important decision you will ever make in your life is who you chose to “parent” with? Do we need a PSA warning fathers that exposure to non-biological boyfriends places children in physical peril? Heck even bears understand this concept!
Yes. PSAs would probably be useful as surrogate parent, therapists, etc. Until we don't need them anymore. then we'll hate them and wonder why we ever had them. lol
LaJane,
I know the forced sterilization history in part because of a research fellowship I did in NC while in undegrad. I am conflicetd in the sense that what happened to many of those Black women in NC (and other places), was unconscionable and just flat out wrong.
I remember William Shockley and his ilk, who like Margaret Sanger, were proponents of eugenics, but how many more babies need to be slammed on the pavement before we start to acknowledge that we (referring to the black collective) have got problems? We have people who spend more time learning how to drive, selecting what outfit they are gonna wear for an event, or what they may want to eat for dinner or lunch, than the amount of time spend on determing their fitness for producing and rearing children. If sterilizations and abortions can't be the answer, what about licensing people to have children? FOR THIS REASON, I actively advocate for programs like Medicaid and SCHIP to cover things like early to late term abortions, birth control, IUDs etc. Folks are gonna screw up; that's a given, but why allow them to bring a child in the world who runs the risk of being killed before they become a toddler?
I am not a woman, and since I am gay, have never had sex with a woman and never desired having children. I realize that my perspective on this situation is completely "glass house stone" throwing.
Lorraine, I completely agree with. We should also be focused on deprogramming black women and girls. There is NOTHING wrong with being single and childless. I also think that state legislatures should really start looking at their statutory rape laws to re-write them in such a way tht teenagers aren't penalized for engaging in consensual activity. Perhaps the age of consent could be raised.
@jabberwacky: you said
black men cant live with the young of another male in the population
I'm going to assume that you don't actually think I'm calling black people animals. However, if you take the above statement and change a few words to read:
Most men and many women cant live in harmony with the young of another person in their home.
Then I'd agree. There's just something very primitive and innate that causes people (mostly men) to resent their resources and time going into their romantic partner's previous offspring. It runs the gamut from baby killing, sexually abusing and just plain old emotional abuse. I think women don't just go and kill children as often as men do but there are some evil stepmothers out there. There are so many poorly blended families out there and I think it would be great if there were mandatory couseling before someone could be approved to cohabitate with kids that aren't their own. Unfortunately, parents can be very selfish and put their own happiness above that of their children's well being.
Regarding abortion: I wish that people had to get licenses before having children. I'm all for free birth control and abortions. I'm also speaking as someone who has had to sift through quite a few containers of fetus bits to find a foot or hand to measure to give a gestational age. It's not pleasant but I'd rather see that than see the child born to suffer a life of poverty and neglect. I wish that there were more widespread birth control so we wouldn't need to have so many abortions.
Precisely, ZooPath, there's been study after study done, further, I think sometimes we forget that we are in fact primates. Everything from the beginning of a girl's menstrual cycle to yes, the slaughter of another's man child can be influenced by living in the home with an unrelated male.
This is not good. LIttle baby boy R.I.P.
There is a stigma going around that if you're an african-american female and single, no matter what age you are, you are the problem and you need a man. I personally believe that mothers should not move a man into the home until the children are grown.
According to the sheriff’s office, Bedwell told investigators that McTear, her ex-boyfriend, had come to her apartment where he argued with her and battered her and her son.......
Question, how in the heck does a 17 year old gets an apartment?
I know that this happened, but I just don't want to believe it. I can't get that sweet little boy's face out of my mind. He could have been anything, a doctor, a policeman, a sentator, a teacher, a good man. But now, he won't get the chance to be anything at all. The worst thing about this is that it happens every day, and so few young women seem to understand that.
I know that domestic violence is a huge problem in the black community, but it's huge problem in all communities. A lot of it, I think, has to do with the financial situation and family problems that many young women face when they have a child at a young age, and the way that our young women are raised. If they were raised in a home where men hit women and children, they may believe that it's normal to get hit. If they need that man around to help them make it through because they have no one else, they may allow him to abuse her and her children because she thinks that it's better than starving on the streets. By the time the violence escalates, it's too late to stop it. Social services and the law are little help. If a man tries to choke a stranger on the street, it's called attempted murder. If he tries to choke the mother of his children in their home, it's called domestic violence. This needs to change. Harming the people who are closest to one, and that one should be protecting, should be a far more serious offense.
I agree with Blkseagoat in that we need to be made to think before we bring children into this world. Contraceptives should be used, and we need to get this belief out of our family's heads that if a young girl does get pregnant, that she MUST keep the baby. How are we helping our young people (and the children they bring into the world) by forcing them to raise a baby that they can't take care of, or don't want. Nothing in the world is more hurtful to a child than not being wanted by their parents. I saw what it did to my cousin, whose mother had him at 17. He was abused horribly, molested by men who frequently came to their home, and went from being a smart, sweet little boy who could have had the world, to being a broken man filled with anger and hate. Our young girls need to be made to believe that they don't need to have sex in order to be important, or to make a boy like them. And our young girls certainly shouldn't have to think that they need to have a baby in order to have someone to love.
Ugh, I am so sick of these stories. I love your blog, Gina, but I really don't think I can take much more.
Rampant incarceration, dead bodies, raped children - it's like the black community in America is trying to compete with the Congo.
I honestly don't know what the solution is. Perhaps this is social Darwinism run amok and folks that aren't "equipped" just aren't going to make it.
Where are the parents of this 17 year old? Why was she allowed to be in a relationship with a man who was a convict? She had an apartment by herself and an infant child? How many other teen mothers around the country and living in gov't housing with their statutory raping, ex-con boyfriends?
I just can't....
So, she hooks up with one guy who, instead of being at home protecting his offspring is out breaking the law. Then hooks up with another criminal all in less than a year. Where was this child's family? From my experience I'd hazard a guess they're all criminals too. Poor baby, he never had a chance.
I thought they had stopped giving these teen mothers apartments? At least they did in Alabama. In Alabama you can't sign a lease until you're legally an adult. That's 19, but 18 in most other states.
I'm a firm believer in prosecuting statutory rape to the fullest extent of the law. And I worked hard to send as many of these predators to prison as I could. Usually without the cooperation of the victim. The state typically gets more involved if there's a child because it's prima facie evidence that there was intercourse. Plus, the state has a vested interest in preventing this because usually we, the taxpayers have to pay for the results. And I don't know about you, but I'm tired of this isht.
I really don't see the states doing full blown enforcement on statuatory rape laws for girls over 15. First you have to get the girl to actually cooperate and then all the guy has to do is say she lied to him about her age.
And people keep asking where are the parents, clearly they lost control or they are/were probably in the same situation the young people involved are in.
I think people assume that older people know better, and thats not necessarily true.
What a beautiful little boy. It's a shame his life was snatched away from him. Solutions? I agree with the posters who said that bw need to be deprogrammed.
Be extra selective in who you choose to have children with.
If you have a child w/o being married, consider remaining single until the child nears adulthood
Do NOT have children until you can emotionally provide for them (when you are mature)
Some people should simply not have children. But, let's not forget that it wasn't the 17 year-old mom who threw the baby out the window.
Knowledge,
If you believe that single parents cannot do it alone, then should those people be having children in the first place?
I wish I could say that this "isn't a black thing or isn't a black male thing" but the numbers suggest that it is.
No one is under any obligation to raise anyone else's offspring. If it takes a village to raise a child then people who aren't a part of a proverbial/symbolic village shouldn't be having children. That's the position I am sticking with.
Regarding the possibility that this young mother was probably impreganted by a grown a** man, we could rewrite laws to make them tougher on the rapists. Then when a 18 year old decides to videotape himself having sex with an unconcious 17 year old and having fellatio performed on him by a 15 year old, and then he gets arrested and go to prison, our community leaders will find fault with such a law. The young black male who, by legal definition commited a crime, will be elevated to Civil Rights paragon. He will become the victim and black people everywhere will lift him up as symbol hat the white man enjoys keeping good black boys down. THE GIRLS HE RAPED WILL FADE OFF INTO OBLIVION. NO ONE WILL REMEMBER THEM. The boy will get a scholarship to a school that prides itself on developing the potential of black young men.
I know I'm rambling, but black folks have got to stop embracing the cult of victimology by wanting to demand lighthearted justice for criminals.
I don't care what the circumstances are/were. A 3 month old baby is dead because we keep sticking our heads in the sand.
@blkseagoat
Actually, sex education has contributed to the problem of the "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" mindset among Black men. Check out this excerpt from "Culture unraveling":
We must recognize that federal family planning efforts have contributed to this crisis. All data shows that young people who have multiple sex partners are less likely to marry and, if married, are less likely to remain married. Why then should our tax dollars subsidize a “hook up” culture?
We are shoveling money at groups whose sole purpose is to facilitate out-of-wedlock sexual activity.
Read the rest of the commentary here:
http://www.worldmag.com/webextra/15349
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Instead , we must challenge the mindset of those Black girls who've been brainwashed to believe it's cool to be a disposable sex object. On top of that, these girls need people who will encourage them when they're tempted to slide: family, church, upstanding friends, etc.
By attacking the cause ("Black sex slave" mindset), you will have fewer effects (out-of-wedlock babies preyed upon by violent thugs).
ZooPath wrote:
"Regarding abortion: I wish that people had to get licenses before having children. I’m all for free birth control and abortions. I’m also speaking as someone who has had to sift through quite a few containers of fetus bits to find a foot or hand to measure to give a gestational age. It’s not pleasant but I’d rather see that than see the child born to suffer a life of poverty and neglect. I wish that there were more widespread birth control so we wouldn’t need to have so many abortions."
So, are you saying that Barack Obama should have been aborted?
After all, the future president did grow up in a broken home.
There are going to be no "licenses" to have children or "tests" for competency.
People of all walks of life have sex and create children. The problem is that there is no "safety net" when the parents are young, dumb, violent, selfish, psychopathic, etc. There is no one to catch a baby being thrown out of a car window. Years ago there was because **communities** actually existed and families stuck together. If someone got pregnant as a teen, extended relatives (with sense!) would help the girl raise the baby IF AND ONLY IF the father was a deadbeat. If the father was a decent boy he was encouraged to marry the girl and support a family.
Also, teenage girls were much more likely to be impregnated by teenage boys. This is no longer the case, especially in the black community. Teens are having sex with grown people and these grown men and women are much less likely to want to do "the right thing". They have been in the "real world" and know that they can absolve all responsibility and blame others.
This brings us back to statutory rape. Parents need to be vigilante about keeping their minors AWAY from grown folks. It is NOT ok for your 16 year old to date a guy in college - even if he is "getting educated". It is NOT OK for your 17 year old son to take a 23 year old woman to his prom. NO NO NO.
Kids stay with kids, adults stay with adults.
I don't believe in gray areas or "almost growns". There is a marked difference in behavior between 17 year old and 20 year olds and laws exit for a reason.
Although I will readily agree with provided statistics that non-biological fathers commit more acts of violence against children, I must protest the assumption that a biological connection protects a child. I think perhaps there is more of a desire to cover up the violence committed by biologically connected fathers than there is to conceal the violence committed by a non-biological father.
Nevertheless, men kill children. Men kill women. Biologically connected or not, men murder women and children.
And I think there will be a curb-tailing of non-biological fathers in women’s lives, when people stop acting like a woman ain’t nothing without a man. She can have a child, be alone, and be somebody.
Fred,
World mag is rabidly Christian and it's THAT mindset that has screwed black people up. Your source is fundamentally flawed because it's biased.
AND Ken Blackwell worte the article? Nuff said...
blkseagoat: Sex education, Actual family planning, legalized abortions, wider access to condoms, birth control (that is actually covered by insurance both public and private), adoption, and sterilization (optional of course, but discussed as a viable solution for those who are fertile, but incapable of rearing children).
We already have these options as potential solutions to these problems, yet these same problems persist. So what’s the real answer? I really don’t know what else we can do to stem the tide as a “community.”
Fred~actually teen pregancy #s have gone up during the last abstinence only 8 years.
your link: "we must recognize that religious attendance is positively correlated with marriage, family formation, and family stability." Ted Haggard, Jesse Jackson, Juanita Bynum, Hitman Weeks Larry Craig & BTK would agree.
On WAOD you bring the sexist claptrap and try to turn a situation focused on a psychopath into a discourse on "fast girls".
HB~I saw the statutory thing as a kid. It infects the underclass. The focus should be on the older male, not just hiding the girl. But as BSG said...the older male will probably become a cause celebre or keep making records.
KG~In addition to the "need a man" thing, there is a distortion of the role that the man is supposed to play in the house. These women understand that on some level 2 adults are better than one. But they have (1) absolutely no understanding of how to evaluate and (2)slim pickins'.
zabeth~they have not been properly implemented and in some cases undermined.
We can argue about how well policies have been implemented, but the fact of the matter is that this kind of information and these options are out there and available. I see commercials for the pill, condoms, and plan B on TV all of the time. Schools teach sex ed and parents DO need to take some responsibility here as well. Let's stop making excuses.
Further, we can agree to disagree, but as Fred stated part of our culture is to blame. I agree with him. In my humble opinion it's our "community's" (and society's) movement away from religion and a sense of morality in favor of an anything goes, forget about consequences, do what you want you're not accountable (men and women) culture that is part of the problem.
Fred, that's ridiculous. For one, his parents were married when he was conceived and his mother had a lot of support. She married an educated, employed man who then abandoned her and her child. That's really ugly behavior on his part and she probably should have chosen someone else to marry. However, that's not the same as having a baby as a teenager with a known criminal and then bringing a different known criminal into the baby's life. The president grew up in a broken home, this poor child never had an intact home to start out with. I'll also tell you the same thing I tell white people who want to claim Barack as one of their own. 1st go to all the prisons and claim all the people there with white mothers then you can come get Barack on the way back. If you're so against birth control then 1st champion all the baby-killing Mr. McTear's out there who were raised in very suboptimal conditions and then come back around and claim Barack.
Kitty wrote: "Although I will readily agree with provided statistics that non-biological fathers commit more acts of violence against children, I must protest the assumption that a biological connection protects a child. I think perhaps there is more of a desire to cover up the violence committed by biologically connected fathers than there is to conceal the violence committed by a non-biological father."
I agree with this observation.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/04/florida.shooting/index.html
Any piece of garbage that harms a child should burn in hell. I will never understand how a person can harm a helpless infant or child.
blkseagoat wrote
"Fred,
World mag is rabidly Christian and it’s THAT mindset that has screwed black people up. Your source is fundamentally flawed because it’s biased."
Two things
First, every magazine is biased in some degree despite claims to the contrary. WORLD is simply honest about that which I can respect.
Second, Black people has historically been "rabidly Christian," making them a good fit with WORLD. This makes sense on another: Christians like Frederick Douglas, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, William Wilberforce and plenty of Quakers actively fought against the enslavement of Black people. So, if you're a Black slave, you flock to the people who freed you as opposed to those who ignored your plight.
By the way, where were the atheists during the fight against slavery?
LaJane Galt wrote:
"your link: “we must recognize that religious attendance is positively correlated with marriage, family formation, and family stability.” Ted Haggard, Jesse Jackson, Juanita Bynum, Hitman Weeks Larry Craig & BTK would agree. "
And Black women are sluts as portrayed on BET.
Beware of using stereotypes lest you become a victim of them.
ZABETH,
You are incorrect. Insurance does not and has NEVER covered family planning methods for women. Sexism much? Of course it is when you consider that both public and private insurance plans cover a perscription for Viagra or other drugs that treat ED.
While condom distribution has existed for some time now, please keep in mind that the Bush administration, because of prodding and meddling from the evangelical lobby, advised the CDC to issue policy statement underining the effectiveness of condoms when used properly. So La Jane is absolutely right; having the tools available means NOTHING if you haven't been taught how to use them.
Contrary to the shoving of church doctrine dow one's throat, I believe that it has been the unfluence of the church that has resulted in this mess that we have on our hands now. 16 year olds getting pregnant and catching STDs when they could have been taught how to use condoms instead. I agree with parents being involved in the sexual education of their children, but really, how many of you can honestly say that your parents PLANNED to have you?
The influence of religion may have been the framework for the laws that shaped our nation, but the bible was NEVER meant to be a policy document. Hence the reason the framers opted not to create a theocracy.
What does biological vs. non biological have to do with this. Stop dealing with crazy men especially if you have kids and stop calling women gold diggers who simply want a man with a job.
I have a friend who works with folks who been to jail and he says these men have no problem getting women. He said when these men get out, they can find girlfriends quicker than they find a job.
@Zoopath
Actually, some middle class Black couples abort their children because they will "crimp" their lifestyle.
So, my Obama comment still stands.
blkseagoat wrote:
"Contrary to the shoving of church doctrine dow one’s throat, I believe that it has been the unfluence of the church that has resulted in this mess that we have on our hands now. 16 year olds getting pregnant and catching STDs when they could have been taught how to use condoms instead."
Condoms are hardly fool proof. A Democrat friend of mine got pregnant despite her then-boyfriend using a condom properly. They got married and thankfully are still together.
So, birth control isn't the magic bullet as advertised. Zabeth is correct the strong Christian Black communities would thwart a lot of these problems as they did in the past.
Fred,
I can only believe so much of what you say because I now what it's influenced by.
How do you know your friend and her husband used the condom properly? Were you there as the condom was applied?
What does she being a Democrat have to do with the fact that she accidentally got pregnant?
Strong Christian black communities HID much of the sexual impropriety that happened back then. The black church has become a substantial impediment to the progress of black people. I digress though... a 3 month old baby is DEAD because folks still wanna keep their heads in the sand. Continue on in bliss.
Fred,
Aborting children they didn't want was the right thing to do.
What should they have done? Given birth to the child and then put it up for adoption? The first stop for the abandon child would have been foster care. And due to the enormous cost of legal adoption, not to mention the inherent legal rights maintained by biological parent despite extensive litigation, many families are opting out of adoption.