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22 y.o. Black Woman to 11 year-old Black Girl Gang Raped By 20 Men and boys: "That girl, knew What She Was Doing"

."Five years? Ten years? That's ridiculous," said LaToya Bell, 22, sitting on a porch with four others who nodded in agreement. "They (are) getting time for nothing. That girl, she knew what she was doing."
LaToya Bell, 22 speaking about the gang rape of an 11-year old by up to 20 men and boys.

I have mentioned a case out of Milwaukee several times on this blog. It is the case of an 11 year old girl being sexually assaulted by up to 19 men and boys ranging in age from 13 to 40 in the presence of a 16 year old girl and an adult woman.

Well the final defendant has been sentenced in this case. A teen who was 14 at the time received 5 years. The sentences of those convicted range from 3 years in juvie to 25 years for the 40 year old man who said that an 11 year old girl “looked grown.”

Seventeen-year-old Terrell Jefferson was the 14th person punished for his role in the Labor Day 2006 assault. Authorities said as many as 20 men and boys engaged in sex acts with the girl over several hours. A 16-year-old girl was accused of helping get the younger girl to take part.MSNBC.com

The prosecutor in this case was horrified to hear from the families of perpetrators that this, the gang rape of underage girls, is a common occurrence in the neighborhood.

Matthew Torbenson, an assistant district attorney who prosecuted the juveniles, said he hoped it was a one-time aberration."The really scary thing is, during court proceedings I heard members of the perpetrators' families saying this kind of behavior is not uncommon," Torbenson said.

Well I used to be outraged and think that some of the vile inhumane things I have covered on this blog were aberrations too. I thought that there were more good decent honorable people on the planet than bad and that crimes such as this were the result of a few bad apples. I was wrong. I suggest this prosecutor read “Getting Played” by Jody Miller.

This isn't uncommon at all and horrors like this aren't the result of a few bad demonic individuals. Its structural and as in Jody miller's book, Black women play a major role in maintaining that structure.

A number of women in the girl's neighborhood said the males involved were good people who made bad decisions."Five years? Ten years? That's ridiculous," said LaToya Bell, 22, sitting on a porch with four others who nodded in agreement. "They (are) getting time for nothing. That girl, she knew what she was doing."

Perpetuating the belief that an eleven year old child is wholly and completely responsible for navigating the perils and predators she encounters from fully grown men and women. If you read Miller's book the statements of the 22 year old woman aren't shocking at all

The more rocks I turn over, the more creepy crawlies come slithering out. I don't know which is better, blissful ignorance or the burning light of truth. If we were just dealing with bad apples, we could build bigger jails, but how do you put an entire community in the slammer? How do you incarcerate structural inequalities which encourage, promote, and reward demonstrations of “masculinity” involving brutalizing young Black girls as a matter of course?

I have no solutions to offer you today. I've got nothing for you. Nothing.

Reader Comments (54)

Hell...that really is a disturbing post. Thank you for bringing it up, though I feel like I'm going to throw up now.

It's scary. I can't believe anyone is actually blaming the little girl.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterbluelinchpin

Hello there,

These sentiments are not shocking at all...

I am a rape trauma responder and I am the person who is called into the E.R. when a woman comes in and has been raped...I will not even re-hash all that has been said to the person who was raped...

This attitude ...from women even...is not at ALL uncommon...

This is one reason why I am starting up an online weekly support group for black women who have endured rape or incest...we must be a support for our sistas....I am trying to do my part by getting this blog talk show off of the ground (but I hate to use the word "talk show")...it will be called a weekly online support group, not a "talk show"...

Thanks for this post... I am now even more determined to make sure I do my part to support sistas who have endured this horror...

Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!

That is incredibly sad and totally disturbing. It's really sad to think that's the mentality of some people - but to all of those people, including LaToya Bell - You are out of your minds!

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAlaia Williams

When I read about what happened to the 11 year old, I just wanted to gather all the young black girls I could find and hide them away.

This is NOT a rare occurrence. It is common and escalating. DJBlackAdam gave a chilling eyewitness account of a gang rape the other day on his blog, and said that he realizes now that it wasn't an isolated incident; the men who used to brag about 'running trains' on little girls weren't lying after all.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSheCodes


She IS in her right mind. I used to attribute this to people being crazy and demonic and out of their minds and ignorant. What should chill you r blood is that this woman and the four nodding in agreement with her may very well be in the majority in that community.

Gang rapes like this aren't some anomaly. We tell ourselves in hopes that it makes us feel safer. What this 22 year old woman is telling you is the culture of her community. The prosecutor is horrified to learn that some of the family members say that this is common. He, like you, wants to believe that this is an exception. An isolated incident, but its not. Its common, but no one talks about it except the people in the community.

They are intentionally targeting young Black girls. Its like a freaking ritual to them. A group of men and boys demonstrating their "male prowess" in front of each other except instead of engaging in feats of valor, they use their superior strength and numbers to brutalize young teenaged Black girls and they've been doing it for years.

Don't comfort yourself by believing that these people are CRAZY or EVIL. they are completely within their right minds. This is their value system.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterg-e-m2001

I think I'm going to blog about my experience growing up as a black girl in a small town in north Alabama. It was quite commonplace for certain neighborhood boys/men to 'run trains' on girls. Typically the girls came from 'trashy' families and other than to warn us to 'be careful' nobody in the community bothered to do anything about it. Finally when I was about 12 years old they grabbed a young girl from a nice family. They raped and brutalized that child all night long and then threw her out in a field like garbage. I've always wondered if that child would've been spared that horror if those young man had been stopped with their first victim. It makes me furious to this day.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterrozlips

I hate to contradict you, Gina. but no, those people ARE crazy and not of the right mind. There are just alot of them.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMiriam

They aren't crazy. They are making rational choices. Crazy people are out of their minds. These people are making cold blooded decisions to prey on the most vulnerable human beings they can find. More often than not young isolated Black girls.

Read the book "Getting Played" they hunt down these girls just like a lion looks for the youngest, oldest, weakest wildabeast.

You think that there is something inherently wrong with them. I would say there is nothing wrong with them. They are just making a choice to be vile human beings.

TO say that they are crazy implies some lack of control on their part. No they are just as cunning as the smartest among us. They plan this mess.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterg-e-m2001

How to you incarcerate structural inequalities which encourage, promote, and reward demonstrations of “masculinity” involving brutalizing young Black girls as a matter of course?

No truer words have been spoken. What you need to realize however that this sort of "behaviour" is fast becoming the norm outside of "bad" neighborhoods.

I can't tell u all many nice, good, (upper) middle class college boys engage in such "festivities." It's the new thing for best friends to have sex with each other --meaning them and some (usually) unwilling girl--I can't tell u how many girl's "boyfriends" coerce and guilt them into such activities.

It is not pretty. It is not just poor girls and poor boys...it crosses class and color and it's down right frightening.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJJ

I've always believed that the only way black women can be free of the dangers of being assaulted by our own men is if other women stand up for us.

The black community has a long history of blaming female victims of sexual assault if we are attacked by black men. This type of behavior sickens me.

Women like this sicken me because they don't stop and think, "Well, what if this was my daughter?"

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterNew Black Woman

I'm speechless.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterLa Belle Femme

I just read this article on-line and I immediately came to this site. I wanted to see if you had already heard about it.

It's so disturbing to read that people would believe than an 11 y.o. girl could stand up to grown men and tell them what to do. It's disheartening to realize that all of the negatives of the feminist movement remain in the black community.
We can be single and have children.
We can have free sex thanks to the pill and abortion.
We deserve to be paid the same.
But somehow we lost the plot when it came to true empowerment.
Where is our solidarity? Why have we put these men on pedestals that allow them to denigrate and humiliate us over and over again?

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRoadless Wandering

I'm horrified by this. I feel the need to call up all of the black girls that I know and tell them about this. But will they listen? I know that they don't know how unprotected and undervalued they are. I pray for that little girl. I used to think that the rapes were rare, that most people are decent, but now I know better.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commentertasha212

Where is our solidarity? Why have we put these men on pedestals that allow them to denigrate and humiliate us over and over again?

Did we ever have it? Have we ever had it? No, really, I am serious. Our generation is the first generation to go our entire lives without racism codified into law.

While we may have gone to schools that were racially segregated, it wasn't because the law declared it to be so. And since we were shared a common oppressor whose specter was far greater and thus viewed as a much larger threat to both genders, has the Black community EVER paused to deal with its sexism? When has there ever been a MAINSTREAM movement of Black women united against sexism and misogyny?

When you are battling FORMAL discrimination versus informal discrimination and oppression, you tend to focus on the formal and more overarching version. BUt the informal Rules and mores are just as much of a threat, perhaps more so because you assume allies and alliances that that are in fact just as dangerous as any obvious foe could ever be

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterg-e-m2001

So what is the answer?

This can't be allowed to continue. I am so enraged that none of those women would stand up for that baby.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAphrodite

Thank you, gem. Your post was eerie to me because my students (2 young black women I am working with this summer) and I were just discussing the same themes today: the fact that there is no unified black feminist movement despite the obvious need for one, and the danger of assuming that all black men are our allies. Many thanks to the brothers who ARE standing with us!

I agree that those people were not crazy. They were not out of control, "caught in a moment," "blinded by rage at the white man," or whatever can be attached to crazy that makes people not responsible for their actions.

I appreciate the explanation for "running trains," and it is apparent that this practice is strategic and deliberate. These girls are "prey," and it's normal. The men and the women who defend them are not crazy, they're going with a social norm that justifies pure evil. Just like the slave masters weren't "crazy". They were doing what was normal and saw nothing wrong with it. And like that 22 year old woman, some of the slaves justified it too.

I don't have a solution either, but the post explained something that I read from Joan Morgan (hip-hop feminist) today. She said that she made the decision to leave the Bronx because she was becoming numb to the hell she was surrounded by. Now we know what complete and utter hopelessness looks like.

People talk about "angry black women," but you know, we're not really mad yet. Wouldn't it be something if across this nation, black women DID finally get angry? We ACT when we're angry. It's history. Y'all, I'm getting mad, and I'm grateful for this site and the thinking women and men who contribute to it.


July 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commentereagleview

You know, I really don't know what to say in the face of this kind of evil and inhumanity. As a man with a young daughter it is horrific to think that our communities are so far off the rails that we are losing grasp of our fundamental humanity.

I also can't help but believe that part of this relates to the significant absence of intact families in our neighborhoods, with fathers and mothers, where fathers establish and protect their little ones. Without intact families, our communities go to hell like this.

July 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAaron & Alaine

This whole story indicates that there is a need for mass mental health!

I have lived long enough to finally see these types of stories being raised in the public sector.

During the years that I was a girlchild~on, these types of incidents, plus incest were kept secret. Primarily because the female would be the one that had to shoulder the blame. Or your people took care of the individuals responsible. And no one talked about it out loud. It was something that the grown ups in your family and neighborhood knew happened~but there was no public outcry.

What really sticks out in my mind about the women (if that is what you want to call them) who engage in supporting this type of crime is the gender to gender sexism that spews out of their mouths. They sound just like the males do who are involved. The fact that they do not see or feel any connection to other females is obvious.

This is one thing that the women's movement has never been able to overcome. That lack of honest mentality. Also of morality.

July 3, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermsladydeborah

Man, I don't know where to begin. I wrote about what I saw here: http://djblackadam.typepad.com/damnitq/2008/06/black-men-hate-black-women.html

I have come to find that this is truly a sociological problem that we have to handle collectively.

July 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDJ Black Adam

this is scary.
coming from the PJ's, you hear stories like this all the time. Although, I never witnessed it i also never condemned people who bragged about it. in a sense, my silence is part of the madness.

black men, we need to step up and say that this has to stop....

July 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBrother OMi

A CALL To Men is a non-profit org. 'committed to ending violence against women'

The co-founders are african american men!

Spread the word...

10 things men can do to end men's violence against women:


July 3, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterhope4future

Once again, I reached for my Tums as I read your post.

Truly heart-breaking and sickening. How many times had I heard growing up about some "fast-ass girl who let a bunch of dudes run a train on her?" and even then, as a young teen, wondering why was it that the girl was labeled as fast and not the nasty-ass men who were lining up to take their turn.

The mind-set in the black community is dangerously warped. May as well hop on in to the handbasket now and get this free ride to hell over with.

July 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMommy B

Someone should have asked this woman how old the girl would have to be to not be responsible. 10, 8, 5? I wonder what the age of consent is in her world?

July 3, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterdonna

As we have seen time and time again the majority of women don't have the mental or emotional fortitude to hold men responsible for their wrong doings.

The only voices that can stand up for these girls are male. The older men in a community must set the tone and let it be known that violaters of young girls and women will be dealt with harshly.

I think what we have here is a lethal mix of biology......the female pre-disposition to protect the male...coupled with the numerous dysfunctional behaviors that are common in the majority of black communities today.

In more progressive societies, where women and girls have a higher degree of protection, it is the men of those communities who have spoken out loudly against these crimes.

In Northern Europe they are dealing with similiar issues regarding Muslim women and girls.

I think one of the many reasons we see LESS BM willing to do so is that many BM are not living and interacting with their children or daughters and therefore it seems more abstract than real and somehow doesn't relate to them.

I note that men I see comment or speak out against this behavior in our community are those few who are active in their daughters lives.

If you were caring for an 11 year old girl...picking her up from school, making her meals, braiding her hair and so on...you would certainly know the difference between that small child and a grown woman.

To those older women in a community who say in regards to an 11 year old.."She knew what she was doing". The golden question is..."And from whom did this 11 year old learn such????"

July 3, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterknockoutchick

"How many times had I heard growing up about some 'fast-ass girl' ..."

I have always hated hearing the phrase "fast girl". It makes my skin crawl.

July 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAphrodite

Remember the line at the end of the movie, "A Time to Kill," when Samuel Jacksons' attorney says, "imagine if this little girl were white."

Let's imagine if she were white, (no matter what color the rapists) the men would be under the jail. If the rapists were white, and the girl black, the black establishment would keep the story in the news.

Alas, the girl is black, the rapists are black and this is what she gets.

July 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterVinindy

Makes Me Wanna Holler: A Young Black Man in America
by Nathan McCall also has accounts of males "running a train" on females. It was chilling to me when I read that book, and it's chilling again to me to be reminded in this post.

July 4, 2008 | Unregistered Commentercharlessfo

Just to ask that everyone spare a thought for us over in the UK

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1031191/Teenage-girl-walks-free-stabbing-death-17-year-old-rival-gang-fight.html" REL="nofollow">White female stabs Black Girl in heart over boy and walks free

July 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterHalima

Why are we blaming the victim here, she is only eleven.

July 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterFelicity

I don't care if that 11 year old:

-Knew what she was doing

-Premedited the whole incident

-Used charts, graphs, and strategists to accomplish her mission

No Excuse Whatsoever! I shudder at the indifference her community has shown...In the old days, these men would have been ran out on a rail if they were lucky...

July 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCW

This attitude ...from women even...is not at ALL uncommon...

I still have yet to fully wrap my head around how one woman can be so insensitive to another who's been raped. It just defies any sense of basic empathy.

July 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAlexa

This is a sad story. It's not uncommon for the defendant or their relatives to blame the victim. I just can't understand why anyone would believe that an 11 year old deserved or planned for these events.

July 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCass

I am sick to my stomach. I am sitting here with one hand on my mouth and the other on my stomach.

What is wrong with the poor, urban, black community?

How could anyone blame an 11-year-old girl. She is barely in puberty!!!!! She isn't even a teenager! And the fact that a 16-year-old-girl pimped her out to a train of 20 men ranging in age from 13 to 40 makes my skin crawl! Then the inhumane indifference of the 22-year-old!

I work with a group of girls in a poor, black neighborhood in my mid-to-high income suburb. I keep trying to teach them about protecting themselves, how to carry themselves, how to have esteem. In this particular neighborhood, it seems as if it is the boys trying to make a better life for themselves and only a handful of the girls. Yet, is it ever the girls fault to be gang raped? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!

Please, please, please black people, wake up! This can't go on! I don't care if you are dirty poor living in the projects or superrich living in a mansion, you have a responsibility to protect our daughters. You have a responsibility to step up and be a man if you were man enough to make a child. You have a responsibility to father another child! We have to be the change we need!

I have two young daughters and a young cousin I watch, I am about to go throw up at just the thought of even a teenager having sex with these young girls, all younger than the victim. Yes, VICTIM. I don't care if the young girl developed and had a DD bra size - you can tell the difference between a little girl and a grown woman. AND...

Even if this was grown woman, a gang rape is a CRIME!!!!! I am so finished with us right now! With the poor, black, ignorant, rapping, misogenistic, male dominating us! At this moment, I just want to "gentrify" the entire poor black community. I'm just sick to my stomach!

I've been at home for five years with my daughters. I'm involved in Mocha Moms. I write, I teach, I mentor. I am only one person trying to reach one person. I want to cocoon my daughters and never let them out of my sight. I want their father, my husband, to stay strong and healthy. I want their big brothers to form a shield around them and fight to the death to protect their virtue.

Strong black men, we need you! Forget the chumps with their pants down and the swagger and the dumb talk! We need the ones who are with their wives and raising their family. We need men like my husband who are raising their children. We need men who sit at the head of the table and declare what will and will not happen in this household! Grown, intelligent, conscious black men - we need you!

White feminists, we need you also! I know, every since slavery, a black woman's sexuality was never valued or protected. We were prey to your white husbands, sons, and brothers along with the black men that the masters used as studs. But I am calling on you to step up, be a sister to other women. Do your community service right here in America! You can help with your voice and your access. We don't want your homes, your husbands, your cars, your jewels, or even your Lilly Pulitzers, we just want the same respect and honor.

Oh, I have to go hug my daughters now. I am sick, my stomach is in knots.

If my sons ever did anything like this, I would take them right to the jail and DEMAND the sergeant in charge lock them up and throw away the key! I wouldn't mortgage my home to get them a lawyer and I would turn around and try to stop it.

This is not acceptable behavior! Oh, and to DJblackadam who posted about seeing a train run on a girl, what did you do to stop it? Part of the change has to come from black people stopping this notion that we can't "snitch" or report crime in our neighborhoods! We have to be the change we desire!

July 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterTaye Foster Bradshaw

I hurt for my people.
And I hurt for my gender.

Black women are truly the mules of the world.

July 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGet Togetha

Believe me, I will tell you those men DID not give a grey-goose how old she was! I have a 14 year old cousin who got them "D's" on her and she does not look 14. And to put her in jail is a travesty on the legal system. Women are gonna hear about this and rape victims will not report the assault all because of this story, and ESPECIALLY black rape victims. This is just unbelievable!

July 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterALilPixieDust

This is not acceptable behavior! Oh, and to DJblackadam who posted about seeing a train run on a girl, what did you do to stop it?

My reply:

He stopped it and then took the young lady home to her family.

July 7, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterPioneerValleyWoman

That this happened even once, ever: *head explodes*

That this happens regularly and there is even a word for it: *world explodes*

(Yes, I'm sheltered and white enough in Toronto that I have never heard "run a train" before.)

July 9, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterKaren Lew

The whole point of a minimum age of consent is that anyone under that age, whether they are willing or not, is legally unable to consent to sex.

Anyone that has sex with a minor is breaking the law, no matter what the minor did or did not do, say, sign, consent to, nod, agree with or wink to.

Any person over the age of consent that has sex with a minor is a paedophile, and should be judged accordingly.

The idea that the statutory rape of a child is the fault of anyone but the perpetrator's is wrong.

July 9, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAkheloios

I don't think that the women making those comments are crazy; I think they are engaged in very sad and destructive self-protection. Women are often reluctant to admit that rape-victims are not at fault because doing so acknowledges our own vulnerability to attack. If we can place the blame on the victim somehow, we can continue to believe that what happened to her couldn't happen to us.

I am guessing that women on the porch are desparate to believe that the men in their community would not perpetrate such a crime on them, and that blaming the victim helps them do that. It is self-defeating and devestating, but it is not crazy; victim blaming is less painful than admitting that the same thing could happen to you.

July 9, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAP

Do NOT trust men, even in the anti-rape organizations, even those that say they oppose violence against women:


This misogyny and the acceptance of porn-like rape and gang rape of women, particularly women of color, is so ingrained and so normalized that practically ANY MAN is capable of rape, at this point.
Absolutely disgusting. My heart goes out to that little girl, I can only hope that she can find someone, or a group of people, who will understand and love her and support her.
And no, older males running society is exactly the symptom and the cause of misogyny in our culture to start with. How do you know those "wise old men" having the greatest say are not or have not been rapists themselves? This is systematic people. As long as men have power and male privilege men and boys will rape (with impunity).
I definitely support the idea of a really unified black feminist movement, we really need that right now, because the voice of misogyny, classism, and violence should NOT be the voice of the "black community." Black women's voices, especially when their voices are marginalized because they don't reaffirm men's domination of women, need to be heard.

July 10, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterLara

It's so sad and infuriating, heartbreaking, when it's women blaming other women and little girls for men's brutal violence. Thanks for this post... and for this fantastic blog. We have to keep our eyes open... all of us...

July 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterLiz

Its bull, how can another woman blame a litle girl for whats being done to her by grown men. Its even more sad becuase to have to go thru the motional pain by yourself and then humiliation on top of that, where is the HELP FOR US WOMEN AND GIRLS,

August 30, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMARI

No surprising at all... Just look at the R. Kelly case

October 29, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJenna

How disgusting - the crime, the men who committed the crime, and the women who have the nerve to defend their actions.


January 3, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterSpinster

I do not believe it's merely up to black women to protect our daughters -- it's up to our men as well. Sadly, we tend to follow their every move, including the destructive ones. They need to make a stand as well -- maybe the ignorant of us will follow.

February 13, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterBibi

rozlips, i read your story. I can only hope those assholes were put under the jail for what they did.

March 30, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterxd

This horror -- of blaming the victim -- being inflicted upon an eleven year old really exemplifies why we cannot allow a single victim to be blamed.

The simple truth is, no matter what a woman does, says, wears or where she is at, she would not be raped if she wasn't in the presence of a rapist.

Women need to stop condoning male violence by silently accepting the scenario where male violence is blamed on women.

April 5, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterLoretta Kemsley

That is sick..just plain plain plain sick
11 y old for Christ sake ! These people do nothave the right to live. They knew what they were doing. When she was crying and screaming, did they stop.
I am sick, really really sick.. I agree where Loretta says "Women need to stop condoning male violence by silently accepting the scenario where male violence is blamed on women." but here, we're not even talking about a woman, just a little girl..barely just a teen.

They should be judged for rape, pedophilia, assault ...etc..they should get life or better death penalty

April 21, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterAlex

Black men are targeting white girls in England, to gang rape them (official: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html)

Each of the perpetrators have a black mother who should have chosen a good husband to bring them up properly.

Subsequently, black women are letting all women down.

Most rapes, by far, are by black men... along with muggings, stabbings, drugs. When will it ever end!

June 23, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterMark

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