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Dear Obama Stans...HIllary is Doing This ON PURPOSE
Monday, January 14, 2008 at 6:49AM The Blogmother
I tried to break this down to Shecodes in emails since the Obama stans have driven all discussion about campaign strategy from the blog with their "Y'all just a bunch of race traitorin' Black wimmin." talk just because we question some of his campaign decisions and criticized his silence on crimes against Black women and girls, but I thought I would share this with the rest of my readers despite the high risk of additional Obama stan incursions.
Now I have already told y'all about the lunacy of "racial transcendentalism"- which quite frankly I find insulting. My race is not some impediment to leap over or obstacle to be avoided or held at arms length.
Anty-way, Black bloggers and Obama stans have been in a tizzy chronicling every single utterance by a Clinton supporter or Billary themselves that may have racial overtones.(Jack and Jill Politics: Here's another one for the ' Isolated Incidents' File)
I have read a dozen posts or more by Black bloggers about "A Pattern Developing". Even if there is a pattern, your focusing on the Clinton's racial slights is doing more damage to Obama than Billary.
How Gina? Well folks, the whole point of Obama's ability to "transcend" (ie., "leap over", "avoid", "ignore") race is that White Obama supporters get a "get our of racial tension free" card. You see to many of them, Obama represented not having to deal with irritating charges of racism. Those of you trying to establish a pattern, if you have to establish a pattern, that means the racism isn't glaring and quite frankly, the object of the discrimination or prejudice is far more likely to detect the offense than those who are not the object.
The easiest example is my recent interaction (ie, cyber brawls) with Black male bloggers who are incapable of seeing their own sexism when you hold it up to their faces... White folks just don't pick up "the pattern." At least not the White people who are on the fringes of Obama's support. The more he whines about race, the more he looks like the dreaded Jesse Jackson or my favorite pompadoured preacher... Rev. AL Sharpton. The more y'all beat the drumbeat trying to make Hillary Clinton into George Wallace, the more you shave off votes from Obama.
Watch. Y'all might rile up Black SC voters, but at what cost? I still think he can pound the crap out of Bob Johnson on a number of grounds- not the least of which is that Bob Johnson had a reputation for paying his workers slave wages.
Commence caterwauling!
Now I have already told y'all about the lunacy of "racial transcendentalism"- which quite frankly I find insulting. My race is not some impediment to leap over or obstacle to be avoided or held at arms length.
Anty-way, Black bloggers and Obama stans have been in a tizzy chronicling every single utterance by a Clinton supporter or Billary themselves that may have racial overtones.(Jack and Jill Politics: Here's another one for the ' Isolated Incidents' File)
I have read a dozen posts or more by Black bloggers about "A Pattern Developing". Even if there is a pattern, your focusing on the Clinton's racial slights is doing more damage to Obama than Billary.
How Gina? Well folks, the whole point of Obama's ability to "transcend" (ie., "leap over", "avoid", "ignore") race is that White Obama supporters get a "get our of racial tension free" card. You see to many of them, Obama represented not having to deal with irritating charges of racism. Those of you trying to establish a pattern, if you have to establish a pattern, that means the racism isn't glaring and quite frankly, the object of the discrimination or prejudice is far more likely to detect the offense than those who are not the object.
The easiest example is my recent interaction (ie, cyber brawls) with Black male bloggers who are incapable of seeing their own sexism when you hold it up to their faces... White folks just don't pick up "the pattern." At least not the White people who are on the fringes of Obama's support. The more he whines about race, the more he looks like the dreaded Jesse Jackson or my favorite pompadoured preacher... Rev. AL Sharpton. The more y'all beat the drumbeat trying to make Hillary Clinton into George Wallace, the more you shave off votes from Obama.
Watch. Y'all might rile up Black SC voters, but at what cost? I still think he can pound the crap out of Bob Johnson on a number of grounds- not the least of which is that Bob Johnson had a reputation for paying his workers slave wages.
Commence caterwauling!
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The easiest example is my recent interaction (ie, cyber brawls) with Black male bloggers who are incapable of seeing their own sexism when you hold it up to their faces... White folks just don't pick up "the pattern." At least not the White people who are on the fringes of Obama's support. The more he whines about race, the more he looks like the dreaded Jesse Jackson or my favorite pompadoured preacher... Rev. AL Sharpton. The more y'all beat the drumbeat trying to make Hillary Clinton into George Wallace, the more you shave off votes from Obama.
That's an interesting analysis. The more Obama talks about race, the more whites are turned off, thus turning their backs on him.
The reason why Obama appeals to whites is because he's a "new breed" of black politicians who are ambivalent on racial issues. If Obama reverts back to the tactics and rhetoric of the "old guard," the less appealing whites will find him.
I have to agree with this. There are ways to address racial issues without appearing like an 'angry black man'.
My father is a preacher and does it from the pulpit all the time. My dad is by nature a genteel intellectual -- but can get the point across about racism like a ton of bricks, and still smell like a rose.
Barack is at least as good a speaker as him -- and is more than capable of addressing what he believes to be racist taunting without 'looking angry'.
Also, sometimes getting angry is the RIGHT thing to do. After all, everyone wants a man who will stand up for what he believes in. There are just as many people who will get turned off by what they perceive to be a milquetoast response as there will be who are turned off by an 'angry black man' response.
The real issue is that the Obama campaign has gone on record to say that 'there is no Black America and there is no White America'. He can't very well go back and start talking about race issues between those two groups if they don't exist.
He has backed himself into a tricky corner, but he is smart enough to get himself out of it. I think. I hope that he doesn't go for some 'the voters will see through it strategy'.... because they WON'T.
Yes its calculated. She'll try to put it on him because she can't attack the people who are really talking about it-Black voters.
Obama is a Black man who knows race is an issue but refuses to take on a defeatist attitude, who says "I can achieve anyway". Thats me and thats all the Black people I know (minus my family, *sigh*).
I can't vote for "the Black candidate". Far as I'm concerned too many Black politicians are pimping this "woe is me Black folk" crap and it's not enough for me.
I guess I had made the mistake of thinking that the Clintons wouldn't inject race into this because I actually thought they thought better of us than that. They still might, but they think even better of winning, apparently.
It is official, I will never...EVER pull a lever next to the name Hillary Rodham Clinton.
One of the biggest "racial" issues is to stop talking about things in terms of "racial" issues. These are terminologies and viewpoints leftover from Colonial Imperialist days and lead nowhere. There are relevant differences in culture and practice, if you address matters in these terms you will get ACTION, if you stay stuck in the old terms you'll get the same ol' sh*t.
Yeah your 100%
The Clintons have put a bait out there and are waiting for Obama to bite, and let the media do their dirty work for them.
The best thing he can do is take the high road and let everyone else go after them which is what is happening now. Even the conservative pundits have pointed out the Clinton tactics.
The worst thing he can do is address it in any form and risk losing his young white support.
The object of the game is to get in office, I think black people are smart enough to know a set up when they see one.
@christopherlee
What exact terms should we speak in then? This country has been using the word "DIVERSITY" for 30 years and we still have all white work spaces, living spaces, leadership spaces, etc... What words should we use to get white folks to understand INCLUSION for all?
The only people asking people to stop discussing things in racial terms are people who are uncomfortable about discussion race. Next you'll be asking folks to stop discussing things in terms of gender.
I am afraid that you are right about the Clinton's doing this on purpose. I think it is the case of while you are not going to fall for the "small hustle" they are trying to get you with the "big hustle".
If Obama does win this thing, he would have won it with essentially one arm behind his back. Because while she can play the sexism game he can not afford to play the racism game.
To think I was worried about him loosing if he tried to go issue for issue with her, and her so called experience becomes a bigger asset when it comes to foreign policy experience and the economy.
Looks like Obama may have brought a knife to a gunfight.
The worst thing he can do is address it in any form and risk losing his young white support.
WOW. So it's ok to risk losing the support of young black people, just as long as you keep the precious white ones?
If that is his stance, I won't be voting for him either.
*Breaking news* Barack Obama just demanded an apology from Bob Johnson and Hillary Clinton for those statements over the weekend.
So I guess he disagrees with those who think that he should ignore it. He just won a few points with me on this matter.
I recorded it and uploaded it to YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvBeeRJu1ro" REL="nofollow">Watch it here.
Obama has the young black vote on lock. They are smart enough to know a set up when they see one.
What will put him over the top will be the young white liberals who will shy away from a cat fight about race.
Obama did not have to address the Clintons on the issue unless interviewed aboutit. The media was already taking the clintons to task for it.
Obama has the young black vote on lock.
I am young and black and he certainly doesn't have me and my friends on 'lock'. It would be a terrible mistake for him to assume that he's got us on 'lock', and that he can ignore or minimize our concerns in order to not 'alienate' white people.
Can you address the issue of race without alienating white voters? Probably not. Most whites are in denial that racism still exists. Some delusional black people are too. I am hesitent to vote for a candidate that denies the existence of race. Such a candidate will get into office and forget that we exist. But I am happy that he's defending himself against the Clinton onslaught.
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I do not think he is ignoring or minimizing the concerns of young black voters at all, I think he has adressed some of them in detail. However what the Clintons are doing in terms of race baiting is not on the top of my list of concerns.
It was an obvious ploy on their part that should of been high lighted as how mercenary they can be, as well as underserving of their "black pass".
Bob Johnson running his mouth should have been used to show the devide between the old gaurd and the new and how out of touch the older generation is.
This calls for a delicate touch not open warfare which is what the Clintons are good at.
So I guess he disagrees with those who think that he should ignore it. He just won a few points with me on this matter.
Completely ignoring it is like turning your cheek so you can let them slap the other one. He can acknowledge her garbage without becoming the angry Black man.
And this is almost like the "you aren't Tiger Woods or the Rutgers women so YOU can't be offended." Pffft.
@shecodes,
The clip you posted shows the news anchors stating he has demanded an apology but there is no video of him doing so, which seems strange. I can't say I agree with you that he should address it.
@ Gina,
I don't think the Clinton's are smart enough to stoke this discussion on purpose to lure him into a mistake, I think they are simply so arrogant they think they can explain away their own and Bob Johnson's comments and I speak to that on my blog. Otherwise I totally agree with you! The problem here is that if race becomes the explicit prism through which his run is viewed, it will drown out the substantive discussion about who is the best candidate. It is better for him to let the community defend him. The Clintons have done a lot of damage to themselves for SC. Their gaffes have been large. If he wastes time with a bunch of back and forth about every potentially racial type comment issued by the Clintons or their surrogates, he's going to drive away some white voter support and potentially even open a door for Edwards (MSM blackout on Edwards may protect his flank) The game is to win, and the fact is if he becomes the political synonym for Jesse type aggrieved black politicians in the minds of white voters, he'll be toast. As long as we are all talking about race, we are not talking about his strength as a candidate. That is not a winning formula for the nomination or the general. I want him to dead this thing and get back to getting people excited about him being president.
- Aaron
Oh yeah, I prefer the term "Obamacon"
-Aaron
if race becomes the explicit prism through which his run is viewed, it will drown out the substantive discussion about who is the best candidate
Is this not what black women have been asked to do by YOU in previous posts? Weren't we supposed to drop all discussions and support the 'credible and BLACK candidate?'
I can't begin to tell you how many black people look at me in sheer amazement and shake their heads at the fact that I would dare to ask for ANYTHING substantive on behalf of black women from these candidates, especially from Barack Obama.
I'll tell you what I would SUBSTANTIVELY need to get excited about Barack Obama or any other candidate--
1) A serious investment made to protect all women from violence, especially poor women of color. Federal funding to the states to put more police on the streets of high crime neighborhoods.
2) An immediate repeal of all of the recent anti-competitive rulings by the FCC
3) A refusal to de-tooth statutory rape laws -- especially for the sexual exploitation of girls in poverty.
4) A commitment to end unequal pay between women and men within the next 4 years.
5) An immediate action plan to stop the erosion of affirmative action and the Brown vs Board of Education decision. Serious federal funding for job training and educational funding for women locked in the welfare system.
6) Attention paid to the systematic character assassination of black women in media
Oh Shecodes - are you accusing me of wanting my cake and eating it too? You're right for the wrong reasons.
(sigh) I've said it many times before and I'll make the argument again. Obama is qualified (as good as or better than any other democratic contender), he's credible (high congruence between what he says and what he does) and bonus, he looks like me. He is the first credible black candiate to seek the office that could actually win. Under those circumstances, black people ought to strongly support his run, WHETHER HE WINS OR NOT. Why? Because there is no downside to his run for the black community. His run is historic and barrier breaking, with many positive benefits whether he ultimately wins or only makes an extremely strong showing. There is no down side. Supporting his run (our time, our money, our encouragement) while simultaneously engaging in a strong evaluation of every candidate are not mutually exclusive activities and I argue we should do both.
And again, complete avoidance to the serious issues that black women are raising about our welfare.
Nope. We're not going there again. We will NOT be the mule that anyone rides to THEIR destination, again. I don't give two hoots about 'symbolic history making'.
I want a radical departure from the pointed ignoring of the needs and pain of black women, all the while with a hand out asking for our support.
Also, did the Obama camp respond to your eloquent letter asking for attention to our concerns? I didn't think so.
Funny! I had this conversation this morning and you are right on point. Oh sooo right. Billary is forcing Mr. O to talk about race, which will force him off the fence so that the world will really see how and where he stands on issues that affect us blk folks. The question is how long can the Obama camp keep the race issue at bay and what will not only white Americans reaction be to his stance, but blacks as well?
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“His run is historic and barrier breaking” I have problems with this comment and although many have issues with Jesse you can’t just sneeze at what he accomplished during his presidential run. In 1994 Jackson garnered 3.5 million votes and won five primaries and caucuses, including Louisiana, the District of Columbia, South Carolina, Virginia and one of two separate contests in Mississippi. He had 21% of the popular vote. In 1988, Jackson captured 6.9 million votes and won seven primaries (Alabama, the District of Columbia, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Puerto Rico and Virginia) and four caucuses (Delaware, Michigan, South Carolina and Vermont). Personally, I have to admit that I'm a lil worried…will Obama truly be the spook who sat by the door?
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lildiv, thanks for reminding us about what Jesse did. I had forgotten all that, but then again I was only 8 or so years old.
Aaron, I like Obama stans- it suits you. And yes, the Clintons ARE sneaky enough to do this. What they probably aren't expecting is for Obama to keep his composure. Let me just say this. Barack Obama might not be interested in my wants, needs, desires, or dreams as an American citizen, but he runs an extremely disciplined campaign which might indicate that he would run an equally disciplined administration unlike the Clintons who claim to have no control over any of their surrogates... that seems to be a pattern with them.
Is christopher lee black? OH never mind if he was he wouldn't identify himself as such as he does not believe in race.
New Black WOman, you are absolutely right
Shecodes, you DO need to post over at BWV. You got to keep 'em begging for more.
@Shecodes,
We seem to pitch at each other as though from across a great divide. Somehow,I think this is a false choice you are positing, that supporting Obama means the concerns of black women are put aside. That seems to be the only way you parse this debate, that supporting him means black women are harmed. We have wrestled mightily these ideas and I acknowledge that your mind is your own (I've never said otherwise)but I find it almost impossible to accept what seems to be the WAOD tribe's contention that their is nothing beneficial or of use to the cause of black women in Obama's run, or if there is, whatever good it might contain is insufficient if his campaign does not articulate a black women's manifesto. Dismiss me as merely another member of the so-caled BTP if you will, but the view seems narrow to a fault.
Were it Michelle or some other black woman running whom I could describe the same way as Obama (qualified, credible and black) my argument would be as vehemently made. That we cannot find common cause in the inherent value of his run anguishes me greatly, as it seems emblematic of the difficulty black people struggle with to work together. Obama is not perfect. However, what he and his family are doing, at risk of their lives, is worthy of our support (time, money, encouragement), win or lose. Worthy I say.
@lildiva4u
I take nothing away from Jesse's run. I was in the crowd when Jesse came to Columbus and spoke at a church. He made that first and important door opening t run for the Presidency. Barack surely stands upon his shoulders. To praise Obama's mighty effort is not to slight Jesse's history making stand. I merely acknowledge that 13 years later, when the money and organizational requirements to mount a credible run are 20 times greater, that what Barack has accomplished thus far is a stunning achievement and his effort one that we can all take pride in.
@gina
I don't disagree with you about the duplicity of the Clintons, but even their intellect bogs down when they try to accomplish such tortured racial mudslinging. Its not brains that brought them to this pass, it was arrogance. Bill has been proclaimed the first black president so often, he believes it. He and Hillary felt that there racial bona fides were so well established that they would be freely allowed to savage Obama in any manner they chose. But having demonstrated his appeal in Iowa and his ability to raise money long before that, he is a viable candidate. Blacks are not going to sit idly by and permit even our good friends Bill and Hill to mistreat him. If they beat him fair and square, thats one thing. But dirty tricks, lies and smears won't be permitted without a price, which could be the nomination or the general election later considering that the Black vote will be necessary for victory. Both candidates have realized that this racial sniping is potentially deadly to both camps, hence the truce Obama called this afternoon.
Were you to deal with me fairly, you would admit that Obama stans suits me not at all. I'm no dictator, nor thought police, seeking to program the WAOD tribe into ebon stepford concubines for my intellectual harem. No, I am an exhorter, making, futilely it would seem, the case that whether or not your every female demand is met, or even if each and every one of my conservative views is not incorporated in Obama's policy, that we are enriched and lifted up as a people by his effort and therefore we should support it. To say so is not to rob you of the counsel of your own mind which you so jealously guard, nor diminish the urgency of your concerns. Would God that my prose, heartfelt and sincere, were proof against the hardness of your heart.
I just think, you know, Obamacon sounds better.
Aaron & Alaine,
If you believe that the following concerns are 'narrow to a fault':
1) A serious investment made to protect all women from violence, especially poor women of color. Federal funding to the states to put more police on the streets of high crime neighborhoods.
2) An immediate repeal of all of the recent anti-competitive rulings by the FCC
3) A refusal to de-tooth statutory rape laws -- especially for the sexual exploitation of girls in poverty.
4) A commitment to end unequal pay between women and men within the next 4 years.
5) An immediate action plan to stop the erosion of affirmative action and the Brown vs Board of Education decision. Serious federal funding for job training and educational funding for women locked in the welfare system.
6) Attention paid to the systematic character assassination of black women in media
then it is actually you who are positing a false choice. I never claimed that choosing Barack would be 'harmful' to black women -- the closest I came to an idealogical disagreement with him is my rejection of his support for Genarlow Wilson, and his decision to make him a black 'martyr' in his stump speeches.
It seems to have slipped your notice that I have also showed horror at Hillary Clinton's relationship with Bob Johnson -- not a peep about 'false choices' then.
Yes, you and I will be talking across a great divide until you cross it and start talking about genuine issues, intead of preaching that we should sacrifice our concerns at the alter of your candidate's political ambitions.
The fact that working women will lose a quarter of a million dollars in pay in their lifetimes over the gender gap in pay -- and that number is higher for black women -- is not a trivial concern. Especially when we are much more likely to have additional mouths to feed.
I am now entirely convinced that I could make a better argument for Barack Obama than you could.
There ARE legitimate reasons to support him over & beyond his melanin content and inspirational speeches. But your studious avoidance and suspiciously quick dismissals about extremely serious issues concerning black women makes me believe haven't even read the most basic information about his campaign.
And like it or not -- Barack Obama has made it clear that he is not interested in racial tribalism, which is the religion that you are preaching here.
Professor Tracey ..What you said was PERFECT! "We have been using words like 'diversity' for the last 30 years..' and guess what..WE HAVE MORE DIVERSITY..do you DISAGREE that there is more than 30 years before THAT? What will make a difference for the masses of black young people will be a change in their cultural PRACTICE...a greater emphasis on literacy, financial intelligence, marital stability, home ownership...do you DISAGREE with that?
Shecodes,
To answer your question, no, I did not receive an answer from the Obama campaign, nor did I really expect one. I'm just one little voice out here. I barely survive the death of a thousand cuts around this place or sway a one of you, and you think I'm gonna get Obama's attention with my little blog effort? I'm not the big time like you guys.
Once more into the breach (I spend a lot of time in this damn breach. You guys don't care for me much, but I hope I at least get some credit for effort and conviction).
I'm not suggesting and have never suggested that the concerns you list are unimportant or unworthy of being addressed. Thats a nearly deliberate misinterpretation.
Call me preachy if you will, but what I am suggesting is that your approach to the issue insists that black women extending Obama their support without exacting from him commitments to their issues as you've defined them equals sacrificing their concerns at the alter of his political ambitions. Your position seems to ignore the things in his platform that are of benefit to black women. I don't think thats far off the mark, but you are free to tell me it is.
You are right that there are good reasons to support Barack other than his race, but you suggest that race is the only basis for my support of his run and THAT I will label a deliberate misinterpretation. An almost understandable one, as I tend to summarize that list of reasons by simply saying "he's qualified". Note the order of my statements about Obama in this regard, which is that he's qualified, he's credible AND bonus, he's black. Without the first two criterion, I don't reach the third, so I don't think you can fairly pigeonhole my opinion as race based, it ain't so.
But further on this point Shecodes, not a one of the WAOD web furies has room to critique a race based decision to support Obama. This entire blog is devoted to policy prescriptions and social action predicated on a race and gender based analysis. My support of Obama's run (win or lose) does not rest on his black identity alone, but if it did, how can you rebuke me for that when your race and gender identity are the very basis of the debate we are engaged in? You cannot argue your own brand of racial and gender based tribalism, but then deny the same ground to opposing viewpoints.
I've not dismissed any issues you raise as serious Shecodes and its simply incorrect of you to say so. Quote me a single statement among my many and I'll recant it. I follow the blog precisely because I think these issues are important. I simply believe that the aggressive pursuit of accountability in our society as it relates to the issues of black women that you and I BOTH care about is not mutually exclusive of supporting Obama's run but in fact are complementary. You don't believe that. So we remain, each on either side of a yawning chasm of disagreement that I ardently believe is more illusion than reality.
She Codes;
You make some valid points about voting for a candidate on merit but somehow I think you have not been listening to a thing that Barack Obama has been saying. A grassroots organization is one that takes into account the issues of the ground troops. Obama's organization is primarily a grassroots organization--that is why he has been so successful. If you check his website, he asks that you submit additions and suggestions to his policies and plans. I don't want to mischarecterize you, but you sound like you may be one of those folks who would rather talk about your principles and high ideals rather than act on them. Sounds like you would rather complain about what candidates are not doing rather than showing and telling them what they should be doing. When has ANY leader in the United States acted on our issues without being pressured by the people? We all know there ARE people like you who exist, those would rather sit around drawing up blueprints all day while the rest of us get the house built. Don't hate, participate.
Hopeful Patriot, you are about to become this threads Brenda (others will know what I mean). Shecodes is more than capable of defending herself, but I have to say you're calling her wrong. She, her fellow furies and I amicably but passionately butt heads on Obama. But what little I know of her is that she is a politically accomplished and involved sister, and you're off the mark to generalize about her commitment to her convictions. Your post strikes me as more a personal jab than engaging her on the issues. I'm almost always happy for a similarly contrarian viewpoint as it gets lonely out here against the furies and there minions (just not Brenda), but you're off target here. You should retool and try again.
I am happy to hear it. This was the reason,if you didn't notice, was why I prefaced my comments by "sounds like". Also by the way, I agreed with her on the issues she presented, therfore saw no reason to debate her on them. However, I found her arguments certainly, at least on this thread, seemed to be disagreeable simply for the sake of being disagreeable. I don't apologize for appearing impatient to those who leave that impression, they need to be challenged.
hopefulpatriot,
This is a blog, people don't have to agree and they have the right to express and opinion even if it is different from our own. Exhibited by the fact that you attack on Shecodes is still in the comments as she could have easily deleted it as a moderator. She appears disagreeable because she is a Black women with an opinion that alone is a high crime to some people. You say you are hopeful and a patriot, well a true patriot would welcome dissent as it is the highest form of patriotism. It doesn't take any courage to jump on an already full bandwagon. It takes a lot of courage to ask questions even in an environment where your questions are unpopular.
As usual when someone does anything other than heap effusive praise on Obama, there must be something wrong with them. Either they did read his website or didn't hear this or didn't hear that. She never said she wasn't supporting him, she and many other people, men and women, have questioned whether Obama is addressing the unique concerns of African American woman seeing as how they will decide who wins critical SC. I don't see you complaining about Obama going to Nevada. I am sure he addressed illegal immigration or issues important to casino workers. We just want the same thing for OUR issues and NO, scraps off of the table that may fall on our plates isn't enough.
Shecodes IS participating. We all are.
THIS is why you can't have any discussion about the election. Because people like hopeful immediately start trying to portray anyone who isn't completelyy enraptured with Obama as flawed instead of questioning his campaign.
When have you ever met a group of supporters who has shifted any campaign burden to the voters.
I agree with Hillary and Barack, their supporters have become insufferable.
And not that hopeful pulled out another version of the "racial loyalty" litmus test. "I'm more grassroots than you are!"- You don't get anymore grassroots than Shecodes
I have to applaud the Obama stans, they haven't been nearly as irritating in this thread as usual.
If you must call me names, Obamacon, please. Saying that other thing makes my tongue hurt.