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Essence Magazine's Exclusive Interview With Genarlow Wilson: When Will The interview they Girls
Monday, October 29, 2007 at 9:10PM The Blogmother
Y'all know our stance has consistently been to point out the fact that folks have completely tossed aside the two girls in the Genarlow Wilson case. We have always maintained that the 8th Amendment argument was a legitimate one, but making that argument didn't necessitate trying to minimize what happened in that hotel room that night. Let's not forget that the 17 year old ( I guess she's 19 or 20) girl has maintained throughout that she was gang raped and the snippet of video played on cable news corroborates that she was A) Drunk or B) completely passed out.
So explain to me WHY Wilson is being portrayed as a conquering hero? Well Essence magazine has an interview with Wilson up on their site. I hope this isn't the complete interview. The interview is supposed to appear in their January issue.
Um my how times have changed because back in the olden days we knew that 15 would get you 20. Lots of folks have said the 15 year old "consented". I remind you that 15 year olds cant consent to getting a spray on tan or their ears pierced, therefore, she could not have consented to having sex with up to six boys while they basically made her into a porn star.
Essence, what about thoughts and well wishes for the two girls in the case? What about the 17 year old? Where was the outrage that the girls in the case received death threats or that the 15 year old's own Mama wouldn't stand up for her own child against exploitation.
When we were all growing up we did stupid stuff thank goodness we didn't have YouTube and celebrity sex tapes. Our mistakes are merely memories. Today teenager's mistakes are memorialized on video for all eternity.
I wish Genarlow Wilson well. I hope he leads a productive life, but let's not deify him by basically calling him Jesus.
I hope Essence, a women's magazine asked about the two girls in this case and how this case turned their lives upside down as well.
Why is it that all of our conquering heroes these days appear to be young black men going into or out of jail? Jena 6, T.I., Genarlow Wilson, OJ ( just kidding)? In the words of one of my favorite sites... "Something in the milk ain't clean."
So explain to me WHY Wilson is being portrayed as a conquering hero? Well Essence magazine has an interview with Wilson up on their site. I hope this isn't the complete interview. The interview is supposed to appear in their January issue.
ESSENCE: I hear the tape from the party is hard to watch. What were you all thinking?
WILSON: Yeah, at the time we were just living in the moment. We didn’t know that what we were doing was breaking the law. We were just being teenagers.
Um my how times have changed because back in the olden days we knew that 15 would get you 20. Lots of folks have said the 15 year old "consented". I remind you that 15 year olds cant consent to getting a spray on tan or their ears pierced, therefore, she could not have consented to having sex with up to six boys while they basically made her into a porn star.
ESSENCE:Share your thoughts on the case and well-wishes for Genarlow below.
Essence, what about thoughts and well wishes for the two girls in the case? What about the 17 year old? Where was the outrage that the girls in the case received death threats or that the 15 year old's own Mama wouldn't stand up for her own child against exploitation.
When we were all growing up we did stupid stuff thank goodness we didn't have YouTube and celebrity sex tapes. Our mistakes are merely memories. Today teenager's mistakes are memorialized on video for all eternity.
I wish Genarlow Wilson well. I hope he leads a productive life, but let's not deify him by basically calling him Jesus.
I hope Essence, a women's magazine asked about the two girls in this case and how this case turned their lives upside down as well.
Why is it that all of our conquering heroes these days appear to be young black men going into or out of jail? Jena 6, T.I., Genarlow Wilson, OJ ( just kidding)? In the words of one of my favorite sites... "Something in the milk ain't clean."
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Leave Genarlow Wilson Alone!!!!
That's right, Gina. Know one talks about the 17 who was basically choose her safety over her rights. How the blacks students at the school made her life a living hell. Why I want the bring up that part of the case.
I ain't talking about Wilson. I am talking abut Essence and Jesse jackson and people like YOU who never want to give any thoughts to what happened to the lives of the GIRLS in this case. This blog is called WHAT ABOUT OUR DAUGHTERS? Not what about everybody else.
Leave Genarlow alone? Attymom,You are such a hypocrite *lol*; what if that had been YOUR daughter? Would you be so forgiving? Aren't there several scripture verses you could quote in relation to orgies, drunkeness, and rape?
Again, what if that were YOUR daughter? You can forgive Genarlow (who is probably fornicating as we speak), but you're a soldier for righteousness?
I'm sorry, but Genarlow, his momma Juanessa (WTF?), and anyone else who still views this man as a hero can go on MY "Sit your AZZ down" list. I can respect the fact that his sentence was excessive and that his White lawyer ill-advised him to gain personal notoriety. I can't respect the fact that Jesse Jackass compared this little bastard to Jesus. P.S., would you have felt differently if Genarlow had performed this type of exploitation on two boys?
Reminds me of watching as Maya Angelou went to visit Mike Tyson in jail, while Bill Bellamy made jokes about the victim. Angelou's been dead to me ever since.
I don't think anyone considers TI a hero, outside the gaggle of worshippers celebrities typically have. The guy was a felon who royally screwed up by having numerous weapons in his house. That's some world-class stupidity.
Perhaps I've missed something. To AttorneyMom: are you blindly supportive of Genarlow or are you just kidding? Maybe I missed a post or something.
Antonio,
I wish I could agree with you, but unfortuantely there are people in my office (professional, educated folks) who believe TI was set-up. I thank the LAWD for the blogosphere...the black blogosphere in particular. I'd have definitely slit my wrists by now if I didn't have a place to talk to folks with some damn sense.
Roslyn, I had no idea she did that. I fell out with her after I found out she had a white husband (back in my more militant days; I used to have an intense hatred for white people). But she actually visited Tyson while he was in the slammer?
*SIGH* See, Gina... this is why I should REALLY wait until the afternoons to start posting/reading. *LOL*
Saw it with my own eyes, they showed it on the news.
Hmmmm. Well, TI Is a Hero to the people who wish to be him. I actually saw a buffoon with a "FREE T.I." shirt, utterly inane. I am convinced that people like that are the reason that when I say SHAZAM I don't change into the REAL Black Adam, be alot of people in trouble!
As for Genarlow, the legal issue is over, they couldn't get them on the Rape of the 17 year old, so obviously the prosecutor either knows something WE don't or was to much of a punk to try that case.
But from hearing him talk, and reading commentary from him, I don't think he feels like what he DID was morally wrong, just "having fun". Sadly, no one is talking about these Girls, and how and why they were in a room at zero dark thirty DRUNK with a gang of drunk boys. How many failures do we have there?
The greater discussion of the moral problems in the African American community affecting ALL our children (Male and Female) has to be addressed.
Y'all dismiss these folks as CRAZY, but they are the ones that will be in charge and we are all going to have to deal with their decisions. The madness is spreading!
Blkseagoat, most teenage boys would not turn down oral sex from girls. This is the real world. Wake up.
I think you guys are being too hard on this young man. He was 17 years old at the time. Give him a break. He had 2 years of his life taken away from him. He has been punished enough.
Sidebar: Let's start discussing some of the mistakes you all made when you were younger. Didn't you want to be forgiven for these errors in judgment???
@AM:
"I think you guys are being too hard on this young man. He was 17 years old at the time. Give him a break. He had 2 years of his life taken away from him. He has been punished enough."
I am not saying a 17 year old can't make mistakes, however; I am concerned why, after 2 years of sitting in jail, this kid doesn't seem to believe he at least had a moral (not a legal) lapse in judgement regarding having sex with intoxicated and damn near passed out girls.
When I was 17, back in the 102.7fm, WBMX, Hot Mix 5 days, I had a whole lot of opportunities with drunk women, and declined, my mother taught me better.
It seems his mother didn't teach him better, or if she did, it didn't stick, and it seems, he still doesn't get it.
Like I told my friends, if this boy was like Marcus Dixon and just hooking up with his girlfriend I would be singing a whole different tune, but this disturbing behavior.
What about the 17 year old girl. Look what was taken away from her 1) her right to say no 2)her privacy(there is tape out there
I had teen aged fun, when is getting girls drunk and gang banging them and video taping them become normal? If you feel you have to get girls intoxicated to have sex with you, then it's something inherently wrong with your character.
Gina, you hit the nail on the head. Something in our milk ain't clean. Orlando Patterson wrote a great article on the subject over a month ago in the New York Times. If you have time, google it and read it.
@Miss Issues:
"I had teen aged fun, when is getting girls drunk and gang banging them and video taping them become normal? If you feel you have to get girls intoxicated to have sex with you, then it's something inherently wrong with your character."
EXACTLY!
No one is interviewing the girls and showing their pic all over the place because the girls and the parents want their privacy. They made horrendous errors in judgment by being in a hotel room (who rented the room for them anyway?) with a bunch of guys drinking and doing Lord-knows-what-wasn't caught on tape. Unless there were 18 yos in the room, I am sure that no one in that hotel room knew they were comitting a crime by having consentual sex. I am an adult and always thought that age became a problem once you were 18. Now they all knew that underage drinking was against the law but who bought them the liquor? The adults that contributed to this mess are the real criminals. I think all of the kids were wrong in this case and the sentence for GWilson was just too harsh for what he was found guilty of. He is certainly not a hero, he made mistakes on so many levels that night, but they all did, including the girls. I have not seen the tape but the jury was quickly convinced that the 17 yo was not raped, once they viewed the tape in its entirety. I have a young daughter, who I am hopefully preparing emotionally, mentally and spiritually to think of her body as precious and as a temple. But if my little darling found herself, by her own choice, in a situation such as that, I would not want her held up to the media as a posterchild for a victim. I would want to get us some help to find out what was it in her that caused her to do this, help her to see the error of her ways, and to help her to forgive herself and to move on with her life, hopefully in a more positive direction The outside of the damaging watchful eye of the media. The media can cause more damage then good sometimes.
Someone said something about a scholarship for the girls? Now how about the flip side? What about the impressionable young girls in that school who are doing all of the right things, struggling to stay a virgin, studying hard to get a scholarship and who choose not to follows boys into a hotel room to get drunk and have sex? If they were to see these girls getting notoriety, scholarships, etc. for their behavior, what does that say to them? I'm just saying, its a mess.
He did say that what he did was wrong. What else do you want???
I'm just, I concur with everything you said.
Attymom,
I love you like a play cousin I may never meet. *LOL* You did not answer my questions. What you did was confirm my opinion that you are a hypocrite... at least in some situations. Just because a 17 year old boy wouldn't turn down oral sex from a 15 year old girl doesn't make it right. Just because that's you're perverted sense of REALITY is doesn't make it right.
I also didn't drink, smoke, curse, or rape people as a teenager. My major transgressions as a teenager were that I was too hard on myself, felt too committed to my family to leave them, and refused to go to college right after high-school because I felt I had an obligation to assist my mother with my siblings as I was the MAN of the house. I am not suggesting that I didn't make stupid choices as a teenager; my stupidity NEVER got me incarcerated or in other horribly precarious situations.
Let Genarlow and Juanessa be glad that neither of these girls were my sisters, cousins, students, clients, etc. or any female CHILD that I had any tie to. Genarlow is also lucky that he was segregated from hardened criminals most of his time while being a guest of the penal system.
I CAN'T BELIEVE (Wait a minute... Yes I can) that you can chide me for being gay, but you can't be outraged at DRUNKEN PREMARITAL SEX, and RAPE. *Whew* What's even worse is that you implicitly condone his behavior and you're a woman...with a daughter!
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@I'm just asking, Juanessa gave Genarlow some cash and knew he was going to a hotel room ALONE. Genarlow used Juanessa's money to help finance the purchases of marijuana (probably in honor of JUANessa)and alcohol. He gets some fellatio and drunk girl coochie (RAPE), videotapes it, gets imprisoned, is pedestaled as some ascetic political prisoner, and because of this will probably have everything HANDED to him including a college scholarship.
I think I'm gonna throw the F*ck up. This fool is not Geronimo Pratt, Mumia Abu-Jamal, or Assata Shakur. *SIGH*
P.S. Attymom, I never sleep. I am always awake.
I'm Just asking, what about the boys who didn't go to prison or engage in the kinds of thing that Genarlow did? Should we hold Genarlow up as a shining example of how men, black men in particular should carry themselves?
Blkseagoat said:
Let Genarlow and Juanessa be glad that neither of these girls were my sisters, cousins, students, clients, etc. or any female CHILD that I had any tie to.
but, I think they ARE our sisters, our cousins, our students, our clients. That's the sad part of it..
Also, I hope G. Wilson is contrite about it all -at least.
Blkseagoat, I am starting to understand you with each post. Attorneymom gives you a hug.
Now, I do not chide you for being a homosexual. First of all, Genarlow's fall from grace was a one time act. You will continue to have sex with men over and over again. It never stops. Get the picture. : - )
Attorneymom,
Thanks for the hug and READ what you write. Genarlow received fellatio from one girl and penetrated another. Does God count those as one fall from grace (because it was an orgy) or two (two different sex acts, two different girls)? What if he masturbated or had a fluffer before the sex acts? Would that up the ante to three?
Miriam,
I made that comment because extremely protective of female members of my family (nuclear and extended). Genarlow would have gotten handled and Juanessa would have had more to worry about than the fact that her cock-hound son was out-a-screwing.
Blkseagoat, do you employ any of these methods when you have sex??
Attymom,
I'm so glad you asked!!! I'm gonna do a whole piece about black gay sex on my blog! You'll love it!! My knee-jerk answers to your question are:
a) I enjoy sober sex and I have never had to intoxicate someone to make love to them.
b)I don't do orgies; I'm possessive and I don't like to share.
c)I will defer to former Surgeon GeneralJocelyn Elders regarding "self-love"
d) no need for a fluffer; I'm still a man and I stand at full attention when aroused.
OOOOKAAAAY!BlkSeaGoat and Attorneymom.... GET A ROOM!
Y'all take y'alls naughty talk over to Character Corner. This is a family friendly blog. Okay well no it ain't, but we are so not going do the path of y'allz sexual exploits. My Mama reads each and EVERY one of these comments. Behave!
I you like it, I love it. I just don't want to hear about it. Okay.
Stay on topic.
*goes off to get some mind bleach*
O-M-G, I'm coming over here to tell on Attorneymom, folks need to see the comment she left over at Field Negro. My mouth is still wide open with disbelief.
Attorneymom, I don't know what to say about. But ooooooooooooooohhhhhhh....
I didn't want to out you like this over there. LOL!
Kitty, it is the truth, right.
Blkseagoat, I am trying to keep my promise to you, but you are making it very difficult for me.
Gina and Gina's mom, I am sorry.
Dude was a kid, kids unsupervised will do stupid things regardless how well they were brought up. I personally dont trust anyone who didnt act an ass at some point in there teenage years. The mistake is when you over do it punishing them. which is what that sentence would of done to the rest of his life. Dang even Jesus got off the dang cross. Christian my butt, people are quick to punish but real slow to forgive.
I was a virgin up until i was almost 18....
but i have to agree, we prop up some scumbags to be our heroes. I can't get down with that.
TI has some guns. dude own up to it. Wilson ( refuse to call him by his first name, ugh), needs to do some soul searching.
Clnmike, I concur. Genarlow was a kid. HHHHeeeelllloooo!!!!!
This is one of the reasons why I don't read Essence anymore. No one would argue that if there was videotape of this guy stealing a car or beating up some man, that he shouldn't be punished. But rape an unconscious 17 year old girl on film, and people are just ready to "poo poo" it away. And let's not forget the death threats made to these girls to try to silence them. Now I don't happen to think that ten years is too harsh for crimes. Note to the folks who are passing out condoms and birth control to children in our schools - By making in easier for teens to have sex, you are actually encouraging them to engage in illegal behaviour for which they could do very real time.
blkseagoat said:
"Should we hold Genarlow up as a shining example of how men, black men in particular should carry themselves?"
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Not at all, he was wrong. Dead wrong. But this whole thing seemed to get off track with Al and Jesse and others acting like the Jena 6 and G Wilson were heroes. They are not heroes and should not be paraded around on BET as such. The argument and attention should have remained about the inequality in the Justice system and how their cases brought attention to it. Somehow we lost that and these boys are thrust out into a world of media that they know nothing about and are not prepared for. I hope someone is going to follow up with these young men and help them learn to respect themselves and women or history wil surely repeat itself.
I'm just asking:
My response was to your comment about the girls being bad examples if people decided to give them scholarships for being rape and molestation victims. Genarlow and the Jena 6 boys ARE receiving financial rewards for committing crimes, thus providing the appearance that they have been rewarded for their awful behavior. I do not think these boys will change. I don't think they are sociopaths either, but I think I have enough information to predict with some degree of certainty, that they will be in prison at some point during their adult lives.
I'm just being a realist. They have wretched parents who support them in their crap, legions of ignorant supporters who are so desperate to recreate the unity of the CR era that they will follow and do anything, and most of all, NO REMORSE, NO PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY for what they've done. Just having fun or being offended are now excuses to commit rape and assault and battery. Black men need no help from whitey to facilitate their own destruction. We (collectively) have taken the lead to ensure our failure and ultimately our death.
I blame a pusillanimous value system coupled with a definite lack a parents who are actually qualified to raise children. I bet Juanessa spent more time getting her weave and artificial nails done than raising her son. Where was Genarlow's sperm donor in all of this?
@Blksegoat:
"Black men need no help from whitey to facilitate their own destruction. We (collectively) have taken the lead to ensure our failure and ultimately our death."
Amen!
Okay, after reading all of these posts, I think *I* am in love with blkseagoat. Move over, Attorneymom, jumpoff woman is coming to steal your man.
First of all, PLEASE stop acting as though this is some one time act by innocent teenagers, pure as the driven snow. There were FORTY ARRESTS -- I repeat FORTY ARRESTS -- between the six of those boys. And that's just for stuff that they got CAUGHT doing. Genarlow knew the kind of kids he was dealing with, and made the choice to do it ANYWAY.
Then one of these same boys, IMPREGNATED A TWELVE YEAR OLD GIRL while on bail from this particular orgy. Do you really think that lessons are being learned here? When will black folk stop coddling delinquency, and call it like it is... a serious, serious problem that must be stopped by any means necessary.
btw, my previous rant is not toward Attorneymom... but anybody who wants to set up their spare bedroom for saint Genarlow of Assisi.
Redemption, people. Forgiveness.
Actually Attorneymom...
Redemption and forgiveness come AFTER repentence, not before.
What would happen if the prodigal son's father kept bringing the fatted calf to him while he was wallowing in with the pigs? Would he have 'caught some sense' and changed? Well that's exactly what the black community is doing in this case.
Unlike many of you, I am so glad that the father of the prodigal son had his arms open when his wayward son returned home.
When has the wayward Genarlow returned? He still DOESN'T get it. I give him one year before recidivism sets in. Juanessa and ______ (insert name of absentee sperm donor) FAILED him and he in turn, failed himself. He was a narcissist and decided he would immortalized himself on videotape to marvel at his sexual prowess. For that, he gets a college scholarship and TONS loyal fans.
Hell, from reading Essence magazine's web reader comments, methinks some of those pathetic folks probably WISHED they could have been in that room with him.
Oh Juanessa, what are you gonna do when Genarlow ends up in prison...again?