I’ve gotten MULTIPLE emails about these two cases.
UPDATE; The woman in this case has recanted. Thus why it tis always prudent to sprinkle ypur crime posts with “alegedly.”
First, there is the Hofstra gang rape. A student was lured by her cellphone up to a dorm room where three additional men were waiting and they allegedly gang raped her repeatedly. She appears to be a college freshman based on her age. Of course the suspects families are saying their little angels couldn’t be violent criminals, we all know better. One of the suspects is a Hofstra student who signed in his three buddies. It appears to have been premeditated. I don’t even know if they had a specific victim in mind or planned to attack whoever this guy dragged up to the room ALLEGEDLY.
“They put her in a stall and forced her, one by one, into having sexual activity,” Det. Lt. John Allen of Nassau Co. Police said.
Police said three more friends then joined in the rape of the 18-year-old student.
“When they were done, they cut the ropes and had the audacity to ask if she wanted to go with them,” Allen said.
Of the four defendants, police say only Bedward currently attends Hofstra University. He invited the others into the dorm, police said. Following protocol, they were signed in. SOURCE
I don’t know the race of the victim, it doesn’t matter. Did I mention that one of the suspects worked in campus security?
Cracker Barrel
This second case involves a Black woman getting attacked outside a Cracker Barrel in front of her 7 year-old daughter. The police have wasted no time declaring this a hate crime, because her attacker was White.
Hill told police the incident started when she and her daughter were entering the restaurant at the same time West and his wife were exiting.
“The man slung open the door pretty hard and fast and I had to push my daughter out of the way,” Hill told CNN affiliate WSB-TV. “I turned to the man and I just said, ‘Excuse me sir, you need to watch yourself; you almost hit my daughter in the face.’ And from there it just went downhill,” Hill said.
West, according to the police report, admitted striking Hill “after she spit on me and accused me of trying to hit her daughter with a door.” The police report says Hill denied spitting on West.
Police say Hill stated that “West punched her in the left cheek, forehead, kicked her body in several places, and punched her head in many areas several times.”
The Cracker Barrel’s manager told police he stepped between West and Hill to stop the alleged assault. SOURCE
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I don’t think it was just because the guy was white. My thoughts on the Cracker Barrel incident is that the FBI is considering it a “hate crime” because the attacker used racial slurs (N-word, etc.) directed at the woman. I believe the law looks at throwing around racial slurs directed at minorities during the commission of a crime is an attempt to intimidate and threaten not just an individual, but an entire group of people.
I kind of doubt the woman actually spit in his face. This guy is tall and fairly well built for his age. She may have got in his face after he threw open the door, which in my opinion would have been understandable and justified as the door almost hit her daughter in the face.
Now take the recent incident with the white kid with glasses on the bus getting beaten up by a group of black students. Unless the black kids did the beating for racially-motivated reason or the used racist slurs (i.e. cracker, etc.) then it most likely wouldn’t be considered a hate crime. At least that’s the way I’ve come to understand how hate crime laws work.
With that said, I’m still a bit leery of “hate crime” legislation in the first place because ultimately why does it really matter the motive when someone commits a crime in the first place? If you murder someone for money or murder them for some other reason its still murder, correct?
The woman from Hofsta recants claim she was gang raped.
According to Huffington, the Hofstra accuser has now recanted her story, saying that she was not gang raped.
The four man in the Hofsta case have been released from jail. The woman said the sex was consensual.
This is so ridiculous and upsetting.
The Nassau Co. DA has ordered the release of all four men arrested on the grounds that the story was made up. The search for a fifth suspect was called off:
http://cbs2chicago.com/national/hofstra.rape.case.2.1189075.html
As for the Cracker Barrel case, we are probably going to just have to go back to the days when everyone carried some type of weapon.
All 4 of them got off, they’re innocent, she lied. Can’t always believe one side of the story, open your minds people!
The woman in the Hofstra case has recanted her story. It wasn’t rape but consensual. She is evidently being investigated for possible criminal charges.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7018123
In a bizarre turn of events, all charges were dropped against the Hoftra 4 early this morning — the victim recanted her story. Because of the overwhelming evidence, she couldn’t say that it didn’t happen, but now says that it was consensual.
I can’t help to wonder if this freshman couldn’t take the heat and just wants this story to go away. I have trouble believing that an 18 year old college student would willingly submit to that situation (although stranger things have happened).
That is strange.
Assuming the Hofstra story is true, those are 4 of the most idiotic guys on the planet. Actually, the 3 guys who weren’t students and *signed in* are the biggest of the idiots. If you had a mind to commit such a dastardly, heinous act as rape, why would you sign in to the dorm only moments before? I think it’s true because I don’t see a young girl letting a bunch of guys she’s never met before do that to her. I know trains are real and do happen more or less consensually sometimes, but I would guess they don’t tend to happen with guys a girl has never met before.
Assuming the Hofstra story is true, those are 4 of the most idiotic guys on the planet. Actually, the 3 guys who weren’t students and *signed in* are the biggest of the idiots. If you had a mind to commit such a dastardly, heinous act as rape, why would you sign in to the dorm only moments before? I think it’s true because I don’t see a young girl letting a bunch of guys she’s never met before do that to her. I know trains are real and do happen more or less consensually sometimes, but I would guess they don’t tend to happen with guys a girl has never met before.
Actually, I need *not* assume the Hofstra story is true. Sometimes folks just lie. Apparently the Nassau County DA is looking into investigating her. That tells me they think it’s more than just her not being able to deal with the pressue – they think there was duplicitousness on her part.
I’m sitting in Hofstra Law’s student lounge right now. SHE MADE IT UP! Yes, there is sexual and physical abuse galore, but in this case, NO.
Dear Christ.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/16/hofstra.rape/index.html
Shecodes – you’d be surprised. During my college days, that happened a few times and it was consensual. Either way, SIGH.
WTH happened here? Did she really “recant”?
Uh. uh. Not buying it. You mean to tell me you sign on to have sex with FOUR strangers in a bathroom stall?
Well it is a good thing I threw allegedly all up under and through there.
The Hofstra student retracted the story. She was white and as for her having sex with 4 dudes, I have heard similar stories in colleges this is nothing really new unless you went to BYU or something
It was one Hofstra student and some friends who didn’t go to the school.
It isn’t unheard of for young women to participate in group sex. I am not sure what to believe because of all of the conflicting information.
It’s not the group sex, it’s the fact that it was in a men’s bathroom stall with a friend and 4 men that you don’t know. Perhaps she was drunk or high?
She called campus police directly after… fake rape charges usually occur when someone is pissed at their (consensual) lover, right? I don’t know, and we’ll probably never know the truth.
If she was really this wild, she should be brought up on charges for lying though… it jeopardizes every real victim out there.
TaharkahX,
were you there? oh how quickly people are to declare what they know. It ispossible she consented to sex, but didn’t consent to it with five men. Its possible she felt guilty because of alcohol or drug use. It is possible that she didn’t agree to the extent of the act.
My scenarios are just as plausible as yours.
Who knows. as a lgal matter, they will not be charged with a crime, but these people are far from innocent.
When I heard about the recant, I thought about stories I hear on the anti porn sites where women (of all races) who sign on for these porn scenes, shoot them in seedy hotels and motels, then wake up the next morning/afternoon and realize what a terrible mistake they’ve made.
All of a sudden, they realize that the sex tape is FOREVER and they’re filled with regret, so they have to make stuff up.
I know this is a little off topic and is for another post but I predict more and more of these types of stories will start surfacing as the economy continues to sink and women try to find more/other ways to feed their families.
I am NOT saying that women in general and bw in particular are not being victimized (THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE!). I’m saying that the lines between sex and violence are becoming more and more blurred as men will start looking/falling back on the “she wanted it”-type excuses and at these types of recants as “proof”.
I, amazed at all of the creative scenarios folks want to come up with while ignoring the equally valid possibility that this person’s first recitation of the facts was true and the second was not. Did she know her case was going to end up in the NY Post or on Drudge Report.
But by all means continue to list all the many ways women lie, think that may have a bit to do with the severe underreporting of sexual assault?
Gina, that’s the ONLY reason why, I think, that there is a severe underreporting of sexual assault. Because women know that their business is going to be splashed over all the news and the internet and would be accused of lying. So I agree with you!
As I said, I went off on another tangent and shouldn’t have posted that here. I’m involved in anti porn stuff and apologize for any perceived insensitivity, that was one of the last things I read before checking in here.
She said it happened in a mens bathroom not a dormroom, not sure how you can lure a woman by herself into the mens bathroom.
I don’t know what to think about the Hofstra case, I’m gonna have to hear more and get more backstory.
In any case, an (alleged) victim is still a victim, no matter what race she is…..just like an (alleged) liar is a liar….
Cracker Barrell – hopefully the security video will tell the whole truth. (allegedly) Spitting on someone, while nasty and low class, still does not warrant an @sskicking in front of your own child by a grown man.
But , hey, we are in the new age of Beck/Rush mania, so I guess anything goes….
Gina, as a rape survivor I am truly grateful to you for recognizing that the issue of sexual assault is not as cut and dried as some would like it to be. Rather than pick up stones to hurl at the alleged victim for recanting her story, you’ve taken the time to realize that she may have withdrawn her original accusation for a number of reasons, which may have ultimately culminated in a need for her to protect herself from any further ridicule, insult, or shame.
After my own assault, I reported the incident to the police only to find myself a suspect rather than a victim. I was interrogated and questioned with the same amount of malice and skepticism that under normal circumstances would be reserved for a suspected murderer or pedophile. Already deeply traumatized by the horrific event itself, questions such as “What were you doing there in the first place?”, “What were you wearing?” and “Why were you alone with him?” were thinly veiled attacks on my character, and were too much for me to handle. And though I never recanted my story, I did make the decision not to pursue the case any further. At the time, the thought of dragging my personal pain into the plain view of strangers for them to dissect, discredit, or disbelieve would have yanked me down to a place that I could never come back from.
Now I imagine how I would have felt had my nightmarish experience been splashed across the front pages of newspapers, or typed up in dismissive or accusatory print on blogs right alongside the face of my assailant, and I can immediately understand the alleged victim’s decision to recant her story. Whether it happened or not, I think it’s best to exercise some restraint by reserving judgment, and by being compassionate enough to consider ALL possibilities surrounding the case, and not just the ones where these probable criminals are the victims of racial hatred or some other injustice.
@Tracy
“we are in the new age of Beck/Rush mania, so I guess anything goes….”
Ain’t nothing new about this age…my grandmother used to say there was nothing new under the sun…as I get older I find myself more inclined to believe her.
@ Bro. Taharkah X,
‘cuse me? ” . . . As for the black men involved…WHAT IN THE LAST 500 YEARS OF HISTORY MADE YOU THINK THAT WAS A GOOD THING TO DO? Guess sisters weren’t good enough for them…watch them try to come crawling back now LOL.” WTH does that mean? So four or five “brothers” should have “consensual” gang bang sex with one woman at one time? Rather than have consensual gang bang sex with a non-African woman, they should be proud African warriors and only do gang-bang consensual sex with beautiful Nubian queens? Patriarchaly (sp) in Afro-centric, kente-cloth-made-in- Taiwan is still patriarchaly (sp).
none of us know the details of what happened, none of us because we weren’t there. All of this if and maybe is not getting us anywhere because at the end of the day we don’t know. And what is happening is that everyone is trying to angle it towards their own agenda. And everyone has different morals standings, we are not all the same. What if a woman wanted to have a threesome and you decided that there was something wrong with her because of that, cmon are you serious? That’s like you saying there is something morally wrong with homosexuals. So I think this talk about morals is a tricky conversation to have.
And also several of the news reports claim that all five men did not have sex with the young woman. I do agree that they all shouldn’t be holding there heads up all proud like yey we beat the charge, but they should be reflective and understand that they were engaging in risky behavior and all men involved should be more responsible when making decisions in the future.
You weren’t there either tmoe and yet you’ve concluded this woman wanted to have a threesome. Where’s your proof? Where’s your first hand account of the conversation with this girl? Where’s her public statement or the statements of the accused?
You scornfully sneer at those who have a certain moral code, yet hypocritically argue that we have to adopt your own values. Hypocrisy, thy name is tmoe.
Get outta here with that foolishness, read the blog title.
But they will never do that because now they are walking around like heroes. They won’t learn their lesson because people will tell them they were just being “normal young men.” Did you hear the idiot say he respects women or arguing that no rape occurred because there were no ropes. Whatever, he’s a clueless fool.
I never said that the woman wanted a threesome I was using that as example of what someone might call indecent or immoral behavior, just like I was using homosexuality as something one might call immoral. I wasn’t there and neither were you. that’s the main point I’m making. We are all speculating. Yes I was also disgusted with the whole we are heroes attitude and the families response, no one was critical of their behavior. All I’m saying is that we don’t know what happened and that everyone has their own ideas about what can be considered to be immoral.
And I never said that anyone has to adopt my own values. where did I say that? read what I wrote again it’s like I said when people have their own agenda they never take the time out to really listen or read what someone else is saying they just make assumptions to fuel their argument.
@tmoe Oh I love that you mentioned “agendas” because right back atcha, what’s your agenda?
Clearly your agenda is to extraoplate. To take this one case and try to apply it to all cases. To come on here and argue that the accused behavior was “normal.”
Because why else bring up “morality.” The men have been freed, the accuser villified, rape culture enablers emboldened so what else are you seeking.
You accuse others of making assuptions yet refuse to acknowlege your own.
Otherwise why mention “news reports” about how many men the accuser had sex with? NO, my agenda is clear, read the frigging blog title! So what’s yours?
The men aren’t on trial, so why are you still acting as defense attorney?
I think it’s DISGUSTING that these kids are cheering and giving each other high-fives. Ain’t a GOT-DAMN thing cute about their behavior and it does NOT deserve high-fives. Fucking a girl in a men’s bathroom, and having your “boys” do the same afterwards (I don’t give a good got-damn that it’s consensual or not), is despicable, disgusting, sickening, dangerous and immoral behavior.
They’re not victimized martyrs, like the community just LOVES to make men and boys out to be. They’re potentially dangerous whores who have probably done this before and will probably do this again.
But of course, SHE will be the Jezebel slut whore for the rest of her life, not them. :-/
@TaharkahX
watch your language…
you said ‘ don’t wear Kente-cloth and you know even less about me than the slut and 5 idiots involved in this fiasco’
why in the heck are you referring to her as a slut? but the boys are simply idiots.
If you think they all made the decision to ‘participate’ then why are you levelling a degrading slur against the girl involved and not just a simple insult.
According to your standards that would be women bashing.
I think your choice of words and your points and the end of your post are extremely telling.
you say teach the girls more self respect, how about teach the boys more self respect and they won’t be going around in a group looking for sex with any girl who wants to give it to them.
I mean how much self respect must you have as a man, to be fully aware that you are going to be having sex third in line how respectful of your own self do you have to be as a man.. to be perfoming in public.
Your safety concern about women are telling.
With these kind of safety concerns you have it might be better for you to have them for men.
We don’t call women “sluts” on this site.That’s the first and final warning.
ahhh IC. Now that I’ve google’d your name TaharkahX there’s actually no nee to ever respond to anything you say again. your Youtube videos are more than enough to understand why you say what you say.
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@gem2001
Simply type his name into youtube.com
As always the first few sentences from his mouth are deceptive until you listen a little more and women are reffered to as ‘cockroaches’ and are blamed for why men go into gangsta type hiphop.