Comments on: Hofstra Student Recants

By: Fred

Fred — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:01:36 +0000

An aside:

@J-JO

As a follow up to your post, the Polish government just legalized chemical castration for pedophiles:

http://www.breitbart.tv/poland-approves-forcible-castration-for-pedophiles/

Will America follow suit?

Now back to the thread.

By: gem2001

gem2001 — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:16:32 +0000

I laugh at all of these people who can name a LAUNDRY list of reasons why Black males do X, Y, Z but let someone speculate about the reasons behind a Black woman’s acctions and OH. NO. Let’s not make excuses. Follow your own rules.

By: gem2001

gem2001 — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:15:35 +0000

@super_pope in other words, you demand that we allow YOUR version of the facts to fill in the blanks.

My question is why, after the DA has dropped the charges, are the rape culture apologists on a rampage?

Nobody what happened. You want to think the worst of the accuser, likewise many people feel the opposite. The only people keeping the discussion goign are men and their apologists demanding that we agree with the neat little story the defense lawyers packaged by only sohwing a SNIPPET of the events and not the entire video.

This doesn’t cut any legs out of anything. The people who make things worse for “legitimate victims” are RAPISTS and people like you who will use on “false” rape allegation to doubt “legitimate” victims of the future.

By: super_pope

super_pope — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:55:32 +0000

I have to say, I’m amazed here how many times I’ve read someone on this blog hold forth that, “we don’t know what happened!” but only in respect to whether or not these boys did something wrong. Nobody seems interested in the fact that, “you weren’t there,” when someone issues some unfounded speculation about how they must have raped her before or after the video evidence that exonerated them, or forced her into this act with threats of violence, or emotional abuse.

Here are the facts that are in evidence, a young woman, willingly or unwillingly had sex with multiple partners in a bathroom. The act was filmed. Afterward, she reported the event as a rape. The District Attorney was convinced enough to take her side in this and an investigation went forward. When the tape came to light, its content convinced the DA to not go forward, and caused charges against HER to be considered. Charges were NOT filed, on the condition that she receive mental health assistance and perform community service.

Certainly there is not an utterly explicit and complete picture of the entire time line before or after the group-sex that occurred, but the fact that she has been compelled to perform community service is rather telling I should think.

There’s a lot of concern being floated here for the possible victims of hypothetical future crimes. The men involved here, whether or not you’re disgusted by what they were doing with her, or find it gross, or reprehensible, have been pretty well shown to be actual victims of an actual crime, dredging up possible excuses for her behavior, like an abusive boyfriend (and I’ll remind you all that we don’t know anything for sure, which makes me wonder where do you get off making a comment like that) does you no credit, and cuts the legs out from under real women with legitimate accusations of abuse.

By: Sayeed

Sayeed — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:43:05 +0000

It is no more wrong to suggest that a woman not put herself in a dangerous situation than it is to suggest that people not count their money at the ATM. Sure it is wrong for the thieves to take the money but it is not “smart or safe” to count large amounts of cash in public. That said, there are indeed situations which are unavoidable. Bee is correct that men should also avoid situations in which they can be falsely accused. I have passed on this advice to my son.

By: trish

trish — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:37:44 +0000

The same thing applies to her.

By: trish

trish — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:23:49 +0000

They’re hardly victims if they chose to put themselves in such a potentially dangerous situation. What good could possibliy come out of you and your buddies “sexing” a young woman in a bathroom. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the situation could get explosive. Wow, it did.

By: Bee

Bee — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:02:58 +0000

I just thought of something else. Why is it that when a woman gets drunk or high and gets assaulted its said she shouldn’t have put herself in that situation but when 5 guys have sex with a girl in a bathroom (which could look like a rape situation if you didn’t have that tape) no one says they shouldn’t have put themselves in the situation to be falsely accused. If we can blame the female victim to some degree lets blame the male “victims” too for their plight.

By: Bee

Bee — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:52:43 +0000

Yet another instance of the moral decay in our race that leads to the objectification of our women and children. And the fact that some young woman has been impacted to the point that she may have consented to some part of this does not let these men off the hook. So I guess if a woman has low-enough esteem to consent to a train it is the duty of a man and his 5 buddies to take advantage of the opportunity? Afterall boys will be boys. It’s sick and it’s sad and while the young men should be glad they were not falsely accused they have nothing to cheer about. They should be ashamed.

By: Sayeed

Sayeed — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:26:22 +0000

All of the youth involved are our children and their participation in these acts are troubling. I also find it troubling that some of you are ready to lynch the young men for being involved but exonerate the young woman completely. It appears she was a willing participant in what many of you find reprehensible. Yet her participation does not elicit disgust from any of you. Some of you point out that the young woman’s life will now be made difficult because of the charges being dropped. What about the men who were victims of the lie? Weren’t there lives made a hell because of being unjustly accused?
Some of you seem to want to look at Black men from the stereotypical viewpoint of racist white men. Particularly the talk of castration.
I was drawn to this blog by its insistence that the Black community deal with its sexism. I hope that I have not made a mistake.