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		<title>By: WOW</title>
		<link>http://www.whataboutourdaughters.com/2009/07/surely-you-jestvalley-swim-club-to-black-children-drop-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-19691</link>
		<dc:creator>WOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WhiteyCanSwim – You must not be from the USA, because if you were, then you would know that racism against “you blacks” is centuries old not 3 decades. Clearly we can see that from the Valley Swim Club incident, things are not improving.

Do you even know Americas history?? I don’t think so because you would not even dare say something like “While the REST of the USA tries to move past the actions and feelings from the 50s-70s“. Tell me how do you “move past” being abducted from your homeland, stripped of your identity, having generation and generations of your family forced into slavery for hundreds of years, to endure all that and still not be seen for the quality of person you are but only the color of your skin? 

Remember this, all the progress that has been made for blacks in the US, has not even begun to break the surface of what is rightfully OWED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WhiteyCanSwim – You must not be from the USA, because if you were, then you would know that racism against “you blacks” is centuries old not 3 decades. Clearly we can see that from the Valley Swim Club incident, things are not improving.</p>
<p>Do you even know Americas history?? I don’t think so because you would not even dare say something like “While the REST of the USA tries to move past the actions and feelings from the 50s-70s“. Tell me how do you “move past” being abducted from your homeland, stripped of your identity, having generation and generations of your family forced into slavery for hundreds of years, to endure all that and still not be seen for the quality of person you are but only the color of your skin? </p>
<p>Remember this, all the progress that has been made for blacks in the US, has not even begun to break the surface of what is rightfully OWED</p>
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		<title>By: Afram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Afram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EuropeanPersonCanSwim you are welcome to BET and Al Sharpton, LOL!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EuropeanPersonCanSwim you are welcome to BET and Al Sharpton, LOL!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Afram

Actually, everyday citizens and neighbors are slamming Valley Club so hard that the two Revs (Sharpton and Jackson) will have little to &quot;protest.&quot;
Read this excerpt from Washington Times column:

&quot;Whenever legitimate acts of bigotry occur, they should be exposed to the light of day. The media and the legal system - fueled by public outrage - can do the rest. In this case, substantial national and even international news coverage of the Valley Club incident is beginning the process of making the campers whole.

Racism is so unwelcome in America these days, government is no longer the most effective mechanism to thwart it. The common sense of good-hearted citizens is enough to shame culprits to relent. Modern institutions have filled the void where organizations like the NAACP have become more and more irrelevant - and hopelessly partisan - in confronting bigotry.

Facebook and Twitter, powerful social media tools, worked so quickly that Mr. Sharpton and Mr. Jackson didn&#039;t have time to book their flights to Pennsylvania. Good Samaritans came out of the woodwork to offer the campers opportunities such as cooking lessons from local chefs and classes from professional filmmakers and other artists. Nearby Girard College has offered its swim facilities to the kids for free.&quot;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/13/racisms-cure-found-in-private-sector/?feat=home_headlines

In short, Valley Club&#039;s rep is in the mud while the Black kids get FREE swimming lessons as well as other perks.

America still has racism issues, but it is still a lot better than what my parents endured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Afram</p>
<p>Actually, everyday citizens and neighbors are slamming Valley Club so hard that the two Revs (Sharpton and Jackson) will have little to &#8220;protest.&#8221;<br />
Read this excerpt from Washington Times column:</p>
<p>&#8220;Whenever legitimate acts of bigotry occur, they should be exposed to the light of day. The media and the legal system &#8211; fueled by public outrage &#8211; can do the rest. In this case, substantial national and even international news coverage of the Valley Club incident is beginning the process of making the campers whole.</p>
<p>Racism is so unwelcome in America these days, government is no longer the most effective mechanism to thwart it. The common sense of good-hearted citizens is enough to shame culprits to relent. Modern institutions have filled the void where organizations like the NAACP have become more and more irrelevant &#8211; and hopelessly partisan &#8211; in confronting bigotry.</p>
<p>Facebook and Twitter, powerful social media tools, worked so quickly that Mr. Sharpton and Mr. Jackson didn&#8217;t have time to book their flights to Pennsylvania. Good Samaritans came out of the woodwork to offer the campers opportunities such as cooking lessons from local chefs and classes from professional filmmakers and other artists. Nearby Girard College has offered its swim facilities to the kids for free.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/13/racisms-cure-found-in-private-sector/?feat=home_headlines" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/13/racisms-cure-found-in-private-sector/?feat=home_headlines</a></p>
<p>In short, Valley Club&#8217;s rep is in the mud while the Black kids get FREE swimming lessons as well as other perks.</p>
<p>America still has racism issues, but it is still a lot better than what my parents endured.</p>
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		<title>By: Westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s why it matters (a poem by Countee Cullen):

&quot;Incident

Once riding in old Baltimore,
    Heart-filled, head-filled with glee,
I saw a Baltimorean
    Keep looking straight at me.

Now I was eight and very small,
    And he was no whit bigger,
And so I smiled, but he poked out
    His tongue, and called me, &quot;Nigger.&quot;

I saw the whole of Baltimore
    From May until December;
Of all the things that happened there
    That&#039;s all that I remember. &quot;

No, there was no child called a name (at least that we know of) but the stigma, the pain will follow these kids around.  That&#039;s why it has to be loudly and publicly stated as to the wrongness of the club&#039;s behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s why it matters (a poem by Countee Cullen):</p>
<p>&#8220;Incident</p>
<p>Once riding in old Baltimore,<br />
    Heart-filled, head-filled with glee,<br />
I saw a Baltimorean<br />
    Keep looking straight at me.</p>
<p>Now I was eight and very small,<br />
    And he was no whit bigger,<br />
And so I smiled, but he poked out<br />
    His tongue, and called me, &#8220;Nigger.&#8221;</p>
<p>I saw the whole of Baltimore<br />
    From May until December;<br />
Of all the things that happened there<br />
    That&#8217;s all that I remember. &#8221;</p>
<p>No, there was no child called a name (at least that we know of) but the stigma, the pain will follow these kids around.  That&#8217;s why it has to be loudly and publicly stated as to the wrongness of the club&#8217;s behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteyCanSwim</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhiteyCanSwim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not see a problem not allowing the black kids in to the pool.  You blacks have BET (no whites on it), Miss Black beauty pageant (whites CANT have a Miss White beauty pageant because it is discrimination...)  When Farrah Faucett, Ed McMahon, Billy Mayes died where was Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton??  You blacks are the most discriminating class of citizens since George Wallace back in the 50s!!  While the REST of the USA tries to move past the actions and feelings from the 50s-70s, you try to bring it back up and make yourselves included in EVERYTHING but exclude all other races ESPECIALLY WHITES!!  You people are hypocritical and are no better than Ku Klux Klan and I hope that all you hypocritical @ssholes rot in hell for being hate mongers!! 

I for one support the swim club because if I ran any thing I wanted to be exclusive, I would turn away ANY one I did not want there and then I would DARE you to show up with your D@MN pickets....  Rot in hell you racists b@stards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not see a problem not allowing the black kids in to the pool.  You blacks have BET (no whites on it), Miss Black beauty pageant (whites CANT have a Miss White beauty pageant because it is discrimination&#8230;)  When Farrah Faucett, Ed McMahon, Billy Mayes died where was Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton??  You blacks are the most discriminating class of citizens since George Wallace back in the 50s!!  While the REST of the USA tries to move past the actions and feelings from the 50s-70s, you try to bring it back up and make yourselves included in EVERYTHING but exclude all other races ESPECIALLY WHITES!!  You people are hypocritical and are no better than Ku Klux Klan and I hope that all you hypocritical @ssholes rot in hell for being hate mongers!! </p>
<p>I for one support the swim club because if I ran any thing I wanted to be exclusive, I would turn away ANY one I did not want there and then I would DARE you to show up with your D@MN pickets&#8230;.  Rot in hell you racists b@stards&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Afram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Afram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KOChick, you have a point.  In the scheme of things the incident at the swim club is minor.  I think what has people&#039;s backs up is the sheer hypocrisy of these suburban bigots.  These people and their leaders proclaim loudly  to all who will listen that they are &quot;colorblind&quot; &amp; &quot;post-racial&quot;.  They bristle at being called &quot;racists&quot;, yet they act like their relatives in St. Petersburg, Florida circa 1955, when African-Americans were trying to desegregate the beaches:  in a word, ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KOChick, you have a point.  In the scheme of things the incident at the swim club is minor.  I think what has people&#8217;s backs up is the sheer hypocrisy of these suburban bigots.  These people and their leaders proclaim loudly  to all who will listen that they are &#8220;colorblind&#8221; &amp; &#8220;post-racial&#8221;.  They bristle at being called &#8220;racists&#8221;, yet they act like their relatives in St. Petersburg, Florida circa 1955, when African-Americans were trying to desegregate the beaches:  in a word, ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: knockoutchick</title>
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		<dc:creator>knockoutchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting so many emails about this it is amazing. I do not think picketing or protesting this folks helps much...they will still be bigots. I think that energy can be better directed. Kids in North Philly have much bigger issues than swimming at a private pool...they can barely peek their heads outside their doors without being shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting so many emails about this it is amazing. I do not think picketing or protesting this folks helps much&#8230;they will still be bigots. I think that energy can be better directed. Kids in North Philly have much bigger issues than swimming at a private pool&#8230;they can barely peek their heads outside their doors without being shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Afram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Afram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Striker, our own pool would lift us off our knees and set us squarely on our feet.  We need to end this macabre dance with bigots and start playing our own tunes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Striker, our own pool would lift us off our knees and set us squarely on our feet.  We need to end this macabre dance with bigots and start playing our own tunes.</p>
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		<title>By: Striker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Striker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a little different take on this. I think that they should be picketed and maybe sued but I don&#039;t think that folks should take those kids back to that pool unless there is absolutely no other pool that they can go to. I don&#039;t believe in giving racists our money. I don&#039;t think that we should contribute to their wealth. Wealth justs makes them that much stronger. As a short term solution maybe but only as long as it takes to get our own pool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a little different take on this. I think that they should be picketed and maybe sued but I don&#8217;t think that folks should take those kids back to that pool unless there is absolutely no other pool that they can go to. I don&#8217;t believe in giving racists our money. I don&#8217;t think that we should contribute to their wealth. Wealth justs makes them that much stronger. As a short term solution maybe but only as long as it takes to get our own pool.</p>
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		<title>By: Afram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Afram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many unanswered questions about this case.
Why did the Swim club accept $1900.00 from Creative Steps Day Camp knowing that the children were African-Americans and Latinos, if they were not prepared to honor their agreement?  
Were the Euro-American members of the swim club unaware of the agreement with Creative Steps until the children arrived?  If so, why?

The Valley Swim Club brouhaha is the natural result of three decades of Euro-American backlash to the Civil Rights movement with it&#039;s attendant demonization of African-Americans and loud, huffing denials by racists of &quot;alleged discrimination&quot;.  

We will see all of the post-Civil Rights moves: official denials of discrimination due to race/ethnicity, silence on the part of the members as they hunker down and ride out the predictable outcry, fleeting attention by a big name &quot;black&quot; with a small &quot;b&quot; political organization and muted statements of concern by various politicians.  

In the end, the Valley Swim club members will achieve their desired objective: a segregated pool.  in the end, our children will have suffered rejection and humiliation in a public setting through no fault of their own.  in the end, nothing will have changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many unanswered questions about this case.<br />
Why did the Swim club accept $1900.00 from Creative Steps Day Camp knowing that the children were African-Americans and Latinos, if they were not prepared to honor their agreement?<br />
Were the Euro-American members of the swim club unaware of the agreement with Creative Steps until the children arrived?  If so, why?</p>
<p>The Valley Swim Club brouhaha is the natural result of three decades of Euro-American backlash to the Civil Rights movement with it&#8217;s attendant demonization of African-Americans and loud, huffing denials by racists of &#8220;alleged discrimination&#8221;.  </p>
<p>We will see all of the post-Civil Rights moves: official denials of discrimination due to race/ethnicity, silence on the part of the members as they hunker down and ride out the predictable outcry, fleeting attention by a big name &#8220;black&#8221; with a small &#8220;b&#8221; political organization and muted statements of concern by various politicians.  </p>
<p>In the end, the Valley Swim club members will achieve their desired objective: a segregated pool.  in the end, our children will have suffered rejection and humiliation in a public setting through no fault of their own.  in the end, nothing will have changed.</p>
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