Comments on: Carl Joseph Walker Hoover and 1,500 Farmers in India

By: Ensayn

Ensayn — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:47:07 +0000

What really matters is a child is dead at the hands of other children. There seems to be quite a dysfunction with the Black collective overall and there is no one solution. Both of these cases occured approximately at the same time, but thousands of miles away and just like in Springfield, MA there is no march in Dekalb County GA.

By: Enayn

Enayn — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:37:45 +0000

These are the same exact incidents that lead up the suicide death of Jaheem Herrera here in the Atlanta Metro area.

http://www.blackvoices.com/boards/entertainment/entertainmnt/entertainment/another-11-yr-old-commits-suicide/265111/1?utc=true

By: LD

LD — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:07:32 +0000

Oh goodness. I fear for my baby. She is one year old. I think about what it will be like in five years and I hate to say this but I have no interest in her attending a predominately black school, too much improper influence.
I worked as an elementary school teacher assistant for a number of years and it saddens me to see so many kids crying and hiding in the restrooms from their bullies. It’s amazing how the bullies came from gang infested, proverty stricken, multiple-sister brother having, low-class hot mess single mothers with a no good sometimes a boyfriend(not the kids father) family. The minute the kid would be suspended or receive a call home, here comes the mother hell raising at the principal about her child being wrongly accused and the principal would buckle at the knees allow the child back in the school; then it would be the same old act again. Eventually, it would take the mother moving from out the district due to loosing section 8, being evicted or unable to afford rent, before the child would be pulled from the school. I always wondered, 1) How come this mother hasn’t said to herself I’m tired of coming here and discipline the child(ren)? and 2) Why don’t the principal get the proper authorities(school police, social services) involve to aleviate the problem?

By: cinco

cinco — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:46:55 +0000

@angry independent;

Your perspective is accurate I’m afraid. There are too many of us that just refuse to own up to the causes or to do anything about it either.

It’s always easier to ‘blame’ someone or something else. Too often too many of us are content with the way we are.

*sigh*

By: xd

xd — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:55:52 +0000

“Blacks will be dancing around these questions for the next 20, 30…50 years, dodging the core of the matter because they don’t really want to deal with it. Until there is a serious movement… a tectonic shift towards a new value system and a remaking of what “Black” or “Blackness” is (if those terms are necessary at all)….a collective move towards a different identity….just as some like myself have already done individually… then nothing will change.”

I’m still waiting for that “moment of clarity” to come about. I fear it’s gonna take another couple of generations, and I hope by then that whites don’t decide to reestablish their “stewardship” over “unruly blacks”. However ridiculous that sounds, stranger things have happened.

By: BLKSeaGOAT

BLKSeaGOAT — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:49:03 +0000

Monica,

Does it really matter whether the boy was gay or wasn’t? In either case he killed himself to escape the torment of being ridiculed and teased because he wasn’t “down” with those other hoodlums.

His mother took her concerns to the school and the school failed in its responsibility to protect her son.

By: The Angry Independent

The Angry Independent — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:50:37 +0000

I was Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover at about the same point in my life. I had it worse. At least he had a good home, good mother, and was involved in productive activities. I didn’t have that when I was with my biological mother. If my father hadn’t rescued me at age 11… I would have ended up in a gang, dead or in prison… NO QUESTION about that one. The culture was pushing me in that direction…. because learning wasn’t cool. I was considered a nerd.

This story is a reflection of how polluted Black culture has become. It is why I divorced myself from The “Black Community” and Black culture (in its modern form) almost 20 years ago… when I was in High School. I still had this problem after I got out of the “ghetto”…and started going to predominantly white schools when I was 12 and 13… because the Black cliches (the Black minority within the schools I attended) still gave me grief. But things DID get better once I got into those White schools…. I wonder why.

Gina:
it might be useful to contact the national headquarters of the National Urban League to ask them if they plan to take any action going forward to review the culture within this school

The culture within the school? This problem stems from the wider Black culture…. it’s way beyond the school level… most of these schools don’t stand a chance. You could round up the greatest educators in the World, provide the best facility in the World, provide every student with laptops, provide top of the line breakfast and lunch…provide the best textbooks and library….and you would still have the same madness. Why? Because the culture is sick.

As soon as you mentioned that this was run by the “Urban League” I knew it was a joke. There’s not much of a difference between many of these urban charter schools and the troubled standard public schools….not in terms of culture anyway. Calling it another name doesn’t change much… Many of these schools are like correctional institutions…dangerous for students like Carl and teachers alike.

These kids are under the almost complete control and influence of the Black Rap culture…and all it stands for.

Put suburban White kids in the same school environment that I described….and more often than not…. they thrive. Why is that? Looking at the culture, the household, the parents seems to be taboo. No one really wants to ask that question… especially Blacks. Because they may be afraid of the answer.

Cosby was trying to get folks to come to grips with this sickness a couple of years ago… but like all those who came before him bearing the message… he was laughed at, ridiculed, and he almost lost his “Black Card”.

Blacks will be dancing around these questions for the next 20, 30…50 years, dodging the core of the matter because they don’t really want to deal with it. Until there is a serious movement… a tectonic shift towards a new value system and a remaking of what “Black” or “Blackness” is (if those terms are necessary at all)….a collective move towards a different identity….just as some like myself have already done individually… then nothing will change.

As long as Blacks continue to allow their children to be raised by Beyonce, Jay Z, 50 Cent, R. Kelly, TI, Chris Brown, BET and the rest of the sewer sludge…. this will continue to be the result.

By: cinco

cinco — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:00:53 +0000

It doesn’t matter if he was gay or ‘acted gay’. Whatever/whomever pushed this kid to take his own life at 11 is sad and responsible.

There are too many people in this world that choose to have a baby and at the same time choose not to parent effectively and lovingly. Parenting is no joke. It requires sacrificing always; forgiveness; and the willingness to break any dysfunctional cycle that your own parents/family may have had.

By: wanda

wanda — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:54:13 +0000

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/Story?id=7328091&page=1

“There was no reason for the mother to believe he was gay,” said Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network spokesman Daryl Presgraves. “It just happens he was someone his peers targeted, calling him, ‘girlie,’ ‘gay’ and ‘fag.’ According to the mother, it was a daily occurrence.”

By: Monica

Monica — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:31:08 +0000

Now the boy was gay?

I thought the kid was teased for “acting gay”.

What gives?

Are we jumping to conclusions?