Well folks, the number one topic of conversation on this blog for the past week, as evidenced by the 300+ comments that have been left, will be giving her acceptance speech tonight at 9:00CST. They mailed out the entire thing, but it is embargoed until delivery. Here are some excerpts:
On her experience as a public servant:
“I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town. I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids’ public education better. When I ran for city council, I didn’t need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too. Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown. And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities.”
On why she is going to Washington, D.C.:
“I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone. But here’s a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion – I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this country.”
On energy policies that the McCain-Palin administration will implement:
“Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America’s energy problems – as if we all didn’t know that already. But the fact that drilling won’t solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all. Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we’re going to lay more pipelines…build more nuclear plants…create jobs with clean coal…and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources. We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers.”
On John McCain:
“Here’s how I look at the choice Americans face in this election. In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.”
Do try to contain yourselves and not comment until you actually hear the speech. After being at the DNC last week, they often depart significantly from the prepared remarks. Please limit your comments to a critique of the speech as written or delivered and reserve all additional rumors regarding Palin or any of her family members being abducted by space aliens for our earlier posts.
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UPDATE: The Obama Campaign has responded to Palin’s speech per Politico:
The speech that Gov. Palin gave was well delivered, but it was written by George Bush’s speechwriter and sounds exactly like the same divisive, partisan attacks we’ve heard from George Bush for the last eight years. If Gov. Palin and John McCain want to define ‘change’ as voting with George Bush 90 percent of the time, that’s their choice, but we don’t think the American people are ready to take a 10 percent chance on change.
SMH
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I do not have the stomach to witness this. I will however catch the morning blogs and network shows for the remix!
They got aliens in their family too. Sshhessssh!
I’m definitely watching. Any woman that can take down a moose, owns guns, and is an athlete is alright with me.
Al you gon’ commit heresy up in here and be excommunicated from the Black Folks Island.
Mitt Romney clearly thought McCain is going to lose so he pulled a Regan and gave a stump speech for 2012
Oh Gem, you didn’t know? I am a Farrakhan supporting, Pastor Wright admiring, shotgun beneath my bed having, National Retail Sales Tax supporting, Huckabee enjoying, likely McCain voter. My only reason to support Obama is so that he would appoint Pro Choice judges to the Supreme Court. I’m willing to take a chance and hope that the Democratic controlled Congress will successfully defend against Pro Life Judges.
Here comes Rudy….
This speech sucks. Rudy is at his best when he is explaining something not when he is a cheerleader. I was kinda hoping for Rudy the Mafia buster/crime fighter. What a jip.
@AL
“I’m definitely watching. Any woman that can take down a moose, owns guns, and is an athlete is alright with me.”
LOL. Watch out bullwinkle.
Tom Cruise can come down from Zenu after he’s ascended to take Sarah Palin with him.
Okay, its showtime. Let’s see if Palin can deliver the goods.
Babies, Guns, and Jesus… hot damn!
Gina, you are so right about Romney.
He was relentless. He knows that if McCain loses they are going to want a strict conservative in ‘12.
I wonder how he feels about the Rep. party saying that Palin (according to their measure of experience) is just as qualified as he is.
I guess running the Olympics and turning companies around means nada.
IF the republican narrative on Palin is 70% true, then Palin is the Republican Obama. She should have been at the top of the ticket, because she certainly represents the future of the republican party a heck of a lot better than McCain does.
Thats exactly what Mitt did, you know he’s getting his hand slapped
She totally lost me @ the community organizer remark. Well, her crazy-ass anti-choice politics never had me, truth be told.
She’s no Michelle Obama.
I know this may be sacrilege up in here, but she KILLED tonight! That was 10 times better than anything McCain will ever produce. I bet McCain becomes her warm-up act on the stump. Not that I agree with a word that came out of her mouth. But, I can acknowledge political brilliance when I see it.
Okay, I will not share my thoughts on the speech. It might be best if you checked it out on your own.
Whom ever wrote Palins speech has pulled all the rabbits out of the hat………They had a woman grab Barak’s balls……….she is sooooooooo delivering this SICKENING SPEACH. I am soooooooooo waiting for the MSNBC commentary………….
I am an Obama supporter. They had better bring out all the Mccains flip flops, and constant no votes on energy and womens rights quick….ly
The democrats want to have a gentlemanly fight. But the republicans do not mind slapping you in your face and then asking you………..”what u gonna do about it bi**h.”
I do not think even Mccain wants to give his speach tomorrow after this shitzzzzzzzzzzzzz……..it could not get better.
The Dems should be very afraid. The Obama camp better get off this high road and start fighting with all the ammo they’ve got.
Great speech. Needless to say, I am very impressed with Gov. Palin. She’s going to be a great vice President.
Snap. Crackle. POP! It’s OOON NOW!
Of course she exceeded expectations. Folks lowered the bar to the ground. All you people running around saying Biden is going to wipe the floor with her. THINK AGAIN.
Stop talking about her kids and start talking about her policy!
What’s the counter punch Dems?
Ok I’ve heard enough. This wasn’t even remotely inspiring. She wants to talk about taxes being raised when they’ve wasted billions on a fake war in Iraq. Nice to skip over the gas prices, the housing crisis, the higher cost of food and you know the stuff that affects us every day. She is flat out lying about this POW crap when McCain has voted against funding veterans healthcare and the GI Bill. “If character is the measure” join her cause. McCain – who cheated and lied? Hey I just saw a Black person! I’m going to suffer through Fake News commentary to get the alternate universe spin on this speech. She’s attractive and articulate. If people want to ignore all the lies she told about what they’d do in Washington – she cut funding to homeless teens who are pregnant. It’s scary if enough people take her at her word she sounds reasonable. It’s just that it’s a lie. God help us all but for the people who don’t think critically or do research or vote against their interests.
Let’s get ready to RUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Listening to her speach she has more executive experience the MCCAIN……….
Sarah Palin intends to play the attack dog role. She certainly carried forward the McCain strategy of mockery, ridicule, sarcasm and disrespect. McCain’s campaign spokesperson Rick Davis said yesterday that this campaign isn’t going to be about issues. They intend this to be about personality, not the issues. The primary thrust of all attacks on Obama are to impugn his character. She delivered the red meat for the audience in the hall on that score. No policy however.
It remains to be seen if she can move the electorate beyond the social conservative right.
I think the issue is she didn’t discuss tough policy so much as she knocked the Dems the ***k out. Period. She’s got those white women wrapped around her finger. “She’s an American woman.” The End.
At least that’s what I got..lol.
She brought it. Hands down. She’s able to connect. She’s been able to do for Republicans what McCain has been unable to do. Talk about a “hail, mary”.
1) She reached out to special needs parents, for goodness sake. “You’ll have an advocate in the White House.” Talk about reaching out to special interest groups.
Obama needs to bring the “A” game.
I just wasn’t impressed. But I’m not her target audience. The speech came off very sarcastic.
But that’s just it, Gina, she left a GAPING policy whole.
I admit that her hits on Obama were on point but where was the talk about what they were going to DO, what is she going to DO. I knoooooooooow she was a “hockey mawm” and a mayor and is governor. But what is she and McCain going to do for ME.
+No mention of the housing crisis
+No mention of stagnant wages
+No mention of the porous border (which is a national security issue)
+No mention of failing schools (white schools are failing too)
And her slight at community organizing futher demonstrates that this election is about white women vs. blacks.
Strong strong speech. If she were at the top of the ticket, I’d be tempted (ducks his Black friends).
Interesting how both parties have stressed “change”
@pinky
This is going to be a brawl between now and November.
They have to respond to this.
If there is no response or a weak response, they (the Dems) are dead in the water.
Babies, Guns, and Jesus…. Hot Damn!!!!
O’Biden HAS to hit her on those lies in her speech (she was for the bridge b4 she found out her state would have to pay for it), her connections to Abramoff, the fact that she raised Wasilla’s debt to $20 million…
Her economic strides in Alaska come SOLELY from oil and gas production. She has little competing interests and hardly any minority issues. She IS still not experienced enough.
To all the people complaining about policy, this campaign is NOT going to be etermined by policy. McCain tore up that script when he nominated Palin. This is going to be one of those”who do you want to have a beer with” elections.
Barring a natural disaster or Heaven forbid some other national emergency, this is going to be a popularity contest. It could have been about a referrendum on George Bush. It could have been about the Iraq war, but instead the nation paused tonight to see if the lady with five kids and a grand baby on the way could complete a full sentence.
We have now turned this election into a referendum on the news media and teenage pregnancy and God knows whatever frivolity we chose to distract ourselves with.
I think about the only dem that can come out swinging right back is Hillary. Her phone is ringing right about now.
The dems have to respond hard, but they have to be smart. They need to learn how to deliver the hard hits with plausible defendability. The GOP makes the hit and they don’t apologize or back down.
My VP debate prediction is already up and I predict he will get his teeth kicked in. He only avoids losing that debate if he comes in thoroughly prepped to rip her apart on policy.
The Dems also have two devastating smart weapons in their arsenal in Bill and Hillary. But party unity only goes so far. Bill and Hill did what was required of them at the convention. They are not giving the O team anything else, which is too bad. A full frontal assault by Bill and Hill, Obama and Biden I think would be more incoming firepower than the McCain/Palin ticket can take, but I’m betting they are going to be keeping their tender dry.
“This is going to be one of those”who do you want to have a beer with” elections.”
That’s how they nailed us with Bush. People couldn’t see themselves interacting casually with Kerry or Gore.
I don’t think they’ve been able to really stick that elitist handle on Obama. His small town comments are going to nail his hide to the wall though, if he doesn’t cut it out.
“I think about the only dem that can come out swinging right back is Hillary. Her phone is ringing right about now.”
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Hillary could take this chick out, IMO, but Obama….not so much; and yes, this election is NOT going to be about policy…but popularity.
My two cents…and I trying to make this quick cause it’s late and school started this week. Alright the first thing I noticed was the lack of diversity and if this is any representation of what the McCain/Plain ticket plans of bringing to Washington then I scared.
I thought that Sarah as well as the Mayor of New York took great jabs at Democrats, but of course this was the party convention. But, to fair she did a good job. It just seems like they don’t mind throwing punches. They are framing the election to appeal strictly to those working class folks and that’s what she delivered on…Hey I’m one of you. Did she skirt the issues..yes because the real aliments that are hurting Americans weren’t even discussed. But, in politics to the average citizen it comes down to appeal and who can connect.
I thought it was interesting how they are taken the experience argument, flip-flopped it and said up yours! And during some parts of the speech I felt like Mammy in Gone with the Wind when she s said “ Yes’m you is, you’s gonna eat every mouthful of this.”
Obama Camp….these folks are playing to WIN…and now they released the sealed records between the O and William Ayers, the political Honor America PAC (which is working to expose Barack Obama’s affiliation with Black Liberation Theology), and the Council for National Policy and the PBS (Palin Baby Scandal) as predicated is starting to play in Sarah’s favor. This is starting to feel like the perfect storm.
The democrats do have room to come back, but it better be strong and as I stated earlier we better form some PACs of our own to do some of the dirty work. Time to sling some mud!!!
Aaron said The dems have to respond hard, but they have to be smart. They need to learn how to deliver the hard hits with plausible defendability. The GOP makes the hit and they don’t apologize or back down.”
I tried to tell y’all this was a T-R-A-P last friday, but people called me stupid . People quit the blog. People sent me angry emails. I was telling y’all for your own good. Why assume that she was incompetent??? Why lower expectations. Why move the campaign from talking about a third Bush term to talking abotu teen pregnancy.
The republicans LET the Democrats make this about personality and the “culture wars.” I think this is called the “Rope a Dope”
Gina said “I think about the only dem that can come out swinging right back is Hillary. Her phone is ringing right about now” hahah Hillary said…I ain’t picking up the phone for no less then 20 million
BTW Gina are you going to have a podcast this week? Pleassss!
She saved this campaign, I know that much.
And I agree that Bill and Hillary are the only hope he has to win this election. He needs to do some sort of meal culpa on the race stuff or something. Prop Bill up again as the last saving grace for the black community and the one to calm the waters.
Maybe then Bill will be willing to get out there tough for him.
IDK – neither Bill nor Hillary have an interest in him winning so I can see them letting that call go to voicemail.
She definitely brought the heat – but it won’t convert independents or even bring Hillary’s folks into the GOP tent IMHO. Her presence will further energize BOTH bases, which won’t help McCain end the end. He’s still trailing, and if the result in November is going to be dictated by who’s voters are more “inspired” to run to the polls, then I still think this is Obama’s race.
That said, this is certainly no time for BHO’s campaign to play the rope a dope. If he stays as feisty as he was in that acceptance speech in Denver, then that’ll be just about right.
Aaron, on the Clintons, i hope u r wrong, from the get go i wanted Barack to hook his wagon to the Clintons and not the Kennedys so he could hone he skills and be in power for 16 yrs.
had to let that dream go… …but i was happy to see them kiss and make up so he could have the benefit of folks who have “been there done that and kicked a**” with the right’s attack machine.
Biden and Barack, well, may win on policy points, but they will need some help from the Clintons on style.
jcfii said ” If he stays as feisty as he was in that acceptance speech in Denver, then that’ll be just about right” We need more than feisty, we need money, bodies, mud and some more stuff. Please re-read my post on the other thread about who these people are and who really vetted Sarah.
Don’t believe the hype about McCain’s folks being involved with this pick. There are MUCH BIGGER FORCES at work here.
I started the collection plate to collect 20 million…so far I put in $20…
This is my suggestion. tomorrow O’Biden had better roll to Chappaqua with abotu two dozen cheese burgers and lure Bill out on the back 40 ans sit and chew the breeze. Pick his brain do whatever because Obama has already shown little stomach for brawling publicly. Bill and Hillary don’t have a problem with a good old fashion street brawl.
Biden… sorry folks, he is a loose cannon. You never knwo what is going to fly out of his mouth.
The Dems are going to be Out Bubba-ed. Might as well go talk to the folks that wrote the play book for tonight.
But like I said. I don’t know that Hillary will pick up the phone for less than 20 Mil.
My father has an interesting take on Hillary C. He thinks that Palin will be able to do to Hillary, what Obama was either unwilling or unable to do. Give her a reason to help him win. He thinks Hillary was DETERMINED to be the first female president, and if McCain/Palin wins…well, you get the idea. It positions Palin for that historical place.
Of course, if Obama wins…and he gets eight years, she’ll be, 1,2, 3… getting a little older herself. So, I’m not sure his theory works.
Then Obama supporters need to pony up and help him raise money to bring Hillz back in.
And I agree, Gina, Barack needs to really learn from Bill. It’s a shame that primary campaign got so ugly because under their instruction Obama could have been leading by 10+ right now.
That’s it, exactly. They’re going to be out bubba’d by a gun toten, moose shooting, female. Is that the winning strategy. Have we had 20 years of bubbas? Including Clinton.
thelildiva4u said “I started the collection plate to collect 20 million…so far I put in $20…”
Only 19 Million nine hundred ninety nine thousand ninety ninetynine hundred and eighty dollars to get Hillary to answer your call.
Is there anyway we can change our VP pick?
Here, puma, puma…
“Is there anyway we can change our VP pick?”
Now don’t stop believing after one speech. You CAn change your VP pick, but it will look really bad. Let this marinate and percolate. You got two months til the election.
First let me say that it was refreshing to see a woman at the podium giving a speech at the RNC. Her speech was a lot better than the Thompson, Lieberman, and Guiliani speeches combined. She choose her words very carefully and was careful to replace “9/11″ with the graphic images of John McCain’s tourture and military service.
I listened/watched the entire speech. There was a lot of jabs at Dems and Obama directly.
Her short-term memory is a miserable failure. There was no mention of the Repbulican President of the last 8 years! There was no mention of GW Bush/Republicans failed policies, huge deficits, endless wars, and expanding government. Dems were voted into the majority in the last congressional cycle because of the miserable failures of the Republican leadership. The scare tactics about Dems raising taxes and inviting terrorist for sleepovers is pitiful.
Sarah’s beliefs were missing in action… Where was the mention of creationism in public schools? or America’s moral erosion? What about abstinence versus sex education? Supreme court judges and Roe v Wade? Apparently, “country first” means that you have to be tethered to an enlisted member of the military at all times. We still don’t know about SARAH PAHLIN at all.
She didn’t jab the “Republican” fat-cats and good ole boys like she did a couple of days ago during her announcement speech (we were to assume that she meant the Dems I guess). She did highlight selling the former governor’s plane on E-Bay and firing the executive chef… executive experience clearly pays! I guess the “actual responsibilities” of being the mayor of her home town will strike fear in the hearts of the Taliban if something should happen to John McCain!
The speech was more of the same fear and sarcasm that we’ve been spoon fed for the last 7 years. In a loudly aplauded quip she stated that John McCain has used his career to bring about change and not Change to advance his career…. Can someone give this woman a mirror? (Can Morris Day send Jerome out on the campaign trail with her)
The speech isn’t going to persuade Hillary voters or Independents in my humble opinion. We aren’t impressed. It will keep us from discussing the issues of this election; while we reflect on Obama’s celebrity and Mommy Wars.
my favorite Hillary line was said to someone who asked her about monica in a rope line after she spoke at a colon cancer fundraiser hosted by katie couric.
the sponsoring group was offering free screenings in a room adjacent to the event. The event was held during the thick of lewinsky\whitewater\foster-gate…
…the line, said with a winning smile; why don’t you go over to the blue room and bend over….
with a handshake, and a smile.
Another thought for all those folks who hissed at the black politicians ala Maxine Waters et al by calling them traitors for supporting Hillary…as Jay Z said “bring out! bring them out!”.
We need to contribute to their elections and have them become our “pit bulls with lipsticks”. They are mothers and politicians too who if I remember have executive experience and authored bills. ATTTACK!
BTW Gina I was kidding with the VP comment..guess it didn’t go over too well.
Claire McCaskill needs to step up as well. She’s been a great supporter of the campaign but she needs to go speak to those Missouri housewives.
The Obama Campaign has responded to the speech:
“The speech that Gov. Palin gave was well delivered, but it was written by George Bush’s speechwriter and sounds exactly like the same divisive, partisan attacks we’ve heard from George Bush for the last eight years. If Gov. Palin and John McCain want to define ‘change’ as voting with George Bush 90 percent of the time, that’s their choice, but we don’t think the American people are ready to take a 10 percent chance on change.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_camp_responds_to_Palin.html
Ummm….. Ummmm…..ummmm. I got’s nothing for y’all.
I think they should have waited a little longer and come out with a better response.
So are y’all basically saying that every woman who is an elected Democrat needs to head up on deck?
I’ve seen Pelosi and Boxer in action. meh. Stephanie Tubbs could have gone after her, but sadly she’s gone. You need someone with small town roots. I would say McCaskill, but isn’t that saying women are interchangeable? Isn’t that what Democrats have been accusing McCain of all week?
You know who would be good, Elizabeth Edwards, but she has her own problems right now. Nope. its Hillary folks. Start passing that collection plate.
“Hillary could take this chick out…”
I disagree. Frankly, I don’t think Hillary has ever been as smooth as Palin. When Hillary attacks she sounds like McCain – bitter, angry, and not very eloquent. Palin pulls it off with wit, humor, and charm.
Obama is best to respond with his trademark dismissive chuckle. Something like, “She hit me pretty good, didn’t she? This is going to be a fun debate.” Then add something like, “Unfortunately, it seems that Gov. Palin is going to follow the same path as Sen. McCain. They spend all their time talking about me and none talking about what they’re going to do for the American people.”
Then he can prop her up even as he tears her down with something like, “I respect Gov. Palin’s experience. But what she has experience in is pushing the same policies that have left our economy, our military, and our standing int he world in a state of gross disrepair.”
This is what Obama sounds like at his best. This is the kind of back-handed compliment/slap that only he can really deliver effectively. When others have tried to “help” they have only gotten in the way.
His whole campaign has been built on doing things his own way. Obama’s best defense is Obama.
Sherise…no highlighting their faults or in this case the party’s faults is political suicide. Sarah did what she had do, which was energize a base (Working Class and Anti-Abortion). These where the sleeping giants who really weren’t impressed by McCain.
Time will only tell if they really woke up…but the Republicans have throne down the and gauntlet, slaped them with it, and said now what!
Yme”I think they should have waited a little longer and come out with a better response.”
The Obama campaign does not do well with broadsides or direct blows to the chest. That’s why Hillary almost caught him in the end. Hillary taught them that you go at him directly and hard. He’s set himself up as a new politician so he is somewhat limited in his response and has always reigned his staff in after a time. The republicans aren’t going to do that and you only got 7 weeks left. They may just run the clock out.
The statement is surprising because we were emailed the speech in its entirety about a couple hours before she actually gave it.
Maybe the Obama campaign still thinks they are running against George W. Bush. Palin nipped that in the bud tonight. They are running against John and Sarah and if they forget that, she’s gonna sucker punch them.
Team Obama can chuck that 3rd Bush Term strategy. This is a good old fashioned culture war. George W Who???
But McCaskill is a moderate and she won that election because those same housewives voted with their ~emotions~ or whatever. I still think she could be somewhat effective.
And what about someone like Maria Shriver? She’s a supporter, married to a Republican, and is part of the kennedy legacy.
IDK…. I’m grasping at straws here!!
teddy said “Obama is best to respond with his trademark dismissive chuckle. Something like, “She hit me pretty good, didn’t she? This is going to be a fun debate.” Then add something like, “Unfortunately, it seems that Gov. Palin is going to follow the same path as Sen. McCain. They spend all their time talking about me and none talking about what they’re going to do for the American people.””
That may be their best option… EXCEPT She’s the star of the ticket. The Republican base could care less about McCain.
“I’ve seen Pelosi and Boxer in action. meh. Stephanie Tubbs could have gone after her, but sadly she’s gone. You need someone with small town roots. I would say McCaskill, but isn’t that saying women are interchangeable? Isn’t that what Democrats have been accusing McCain of all week?”
Yeah Yeah, but being honorable, taking the high road and not flip flopping was thrown out the window tonight. Question comes down to do you want to WIN? It’s either play big or go home and the Democrats the last two times have chosen the latter.
“The Republican base could care less about McCain.”
True..historically we’ve always said, people vote for the person on the top of the ticket. I’m not sure if that wisdom will work this year for many republicans.
Her speech was very low brow and I’m sure it will appeal to voters who are as simple minded as she sounds. Sadly, that’s a good portion of this country. It’s the reason why Bush was elected, not once, but twice.
It’s funny how Obama has caught flack for “empty rhetoric” through the entire election and Palin gets kudoos for delivering a pack of empty lies. He’s supposed to be the “celebrity”, yet she’s the former pageant queen that built a small town political career off of her local t.v. anchor popularity. I tried to reserve judgment of this woman, because I felt the bar was already so low in this race, but dare I say, she’s actually worse than everyone.
I’ve been very ambivalent about Barack for the last few months and this woman has single handedly propelled me to campaign for him in my nearby swing state of PA. It’s become more apparent to me that it’s critical that these two don’t get anywhere near the oval office and if Barack is able to deliver even 1/4 of the platform he has laid out I can actually point to things in my life that will be made better. If these two get elected, I can actually point to things in my life that will be made worse.
I wish these people would stop talking about victory in Iraq. Our mission was to find WMD’s, but they didn’t exist because we were lied to, so exactly what are we there to accomplish in this sovereign country? I know she believes this war is “god’s will” as she put it, but i’m not clear on exactly what victory means in a war we shouldn’t be in in the first place. And why are we so fixated on off shore drilling, when we have oil companies with off shore drilling contracts that they haven’t even used? A pack of lies…..SMH
Finally, her crack about Barack being a community organizer disgusted me. These are the people that are actually making real change happen in communities and are more accountable to people than any elected would hope to be. These are the people that are coming up with innovate programs and policy solutions on the local level that lawmakers are actually using to create pubic policy and a lot of them are far more intelligent and better educated than Ms. Palin could ever hope to be. One of the things I appreciate about Barack’s background is that he actually looks to people for innovation. That’s the difference between bottom up and top down leadership. Being the mayor of town of 7,000 is not impressive when I live in a city where our neighborhood community boards serve about 250,000 people – and that’s just a neighborhood.
And Guliani should be hiding under a rock somewhere. I know 9/11 resurrected his career, but for me he’s a pariah. I’ll never forget police brutality under his reign of tyranny and the incompetence and lack of innovation with which he ran NYC’s government. He is despicable.
Yeah Yeah, but being honorable, taking the high road and not flip flopping was thrown out the window tonight. Question comes down to do you want to WIN? It’s either play big or go home and the Democrats the last two times have chosen the latter.
The Dems WILL NOT win a street brawl. It will supress voter turnout for all those folks tired of politics as usual, and the Republicans love a good old Us vs THEM election battle.
BTW, by talking about Palin’s family all week, what do you think the MSM increased the ratings for this speech?
forgot to add. of course barack will have the same issues responding to palin as he did to clinton…
A scary black man attacking america’s most treasure possesion – a white woman. Good luck obama…smh
Her speech was very low brow and I’m sure it will appeal to voters who are as simple minded as she sounds. Sadly, that’s a good portion of this country. It’s the reason why Bush was elected, not once, but twice.
That was kindof the point of the speech. US vs THEM. The Elites vs Joe Six Pack. Big City vs. small Town. I believe they call that a culture war and the republicans tend to wage those pretty effectively.
You are right, the speech will not appeal to Democrats, but those working class blue collar conservative democratic workers in small towns that supported Hillary might be persuaded.
“EXCEPT She’s the star of the ticket.”
That’s exactly why they have to pivot the conversation back to McCain. If they allow the spotlight to shine on her, even in a negative way, they lose. Because a white female Obama beats a black male Obama every day of the week. This HAS to be about McCain. They need to portray her as his mouthpiece and nothing more.
I agree with Teddy.
Put the focus back on McCain. Try to link some of her rhetoric with some of his past statements. Ignore the direct, personal attacks. She IS at the bottom of the ticket and Obama needs to remind people of that. They’d still be voting for McCain and who wants to have a beer with McCain?
He’s probably asleep after a glass of metamucil.
I’m hearing on MSNBC that the Obama camp is going through her records, even as a council woman in Wasilia. They’re ready to attach Palin.
Is there any danger in focusing on Palin and ignoring McCain? I mean, they can’t really ignore her. She’s already knocked the stick off their shoulders. But, is there an inherent trap of encouraging sympathy and not winning votes based on tactic.
I personally, think – McCain should be the focus. If he’s assaulted, no one blinks, no sympathy. Although, he’s commanded a lot of respect as a war hero, he has not been able to turn those into votes. It’s been easy to say, John McCain doesn’t get it and drive that home.
With her broad based appeal, I’m not sure she’s a safe target. Ms. my husband is a member of the steel workers union, my kids are in public school, and by the way, my oldest son is leaving for Iraq in a week.
What a quandry?
gina, careful how u count, the rules are different in the GE.
her attacks were all started with accurate quotes, and countered with accurate statements about hers or McCains track record. misstating intent, but accurate quotes. (reminiscent of the tactic used with the RFK quote at the end of the primary)
they are counterpunching and just set Barack’s folks up to swing at the air again.
which they did with that first response
Well if they don’t find away to attack and we go with the chuckle then we risk the “Obama doesn’t fight” crap…I also question how well are we “Democrats” organized on the grassroots level to get out voters if things get nasty? Cause it’s already gotten nasty.
Maybe I’ve been jaded by seeing too many inner workings of campaigns; especially, those where there where better candidates, who didn’t fight and eventually lost.
So far the Obama response has me worried. I hope that they are prepping him well for these debates? Speeches are one thing and debates which isn’t his strength is another.
Yme…please I hope they aren’t just going through her records..opposition research should have been down the day her name of announced.
“…Community Organizers…These are the people that are actually making real change happen in communities and are more accountable to people than any elected would hope to be.”
Unfortunately, a commentator on MSNBC made a good point. Many people don’t know what a community organizer does. I don’t. It’s not a slight. I just come from a really small city. I truly don’t know what the position entails. I had no idea it was like a real job. I’m already an Obama supporter. So, its no biggie. But, people “think” they know what a mayor does or what a governor does.
Since none of us are receiving a dime from either campaign to do analysis, y’all ought to go to bed. This will all wash out over the weekend. The Obama team had about 40 hours to change the narrative over the weekend.
With her broad based appeal, I’m not sure she’s a safe target. Ms. my husband is a member of the steel workers union, my kids are in public school, and by the way, my oldest son is leaving for Iraq in a week.
What a quandry?
Not to mention the special needs child and pregnant teen daughter. She is literally bulletproof.
Rove HAD to have picked her. This is just too good. McCain was a sinking ship, she literally descended from the clouds.
Seriously, what can O’Biden do?
“That was kindof the point of the speech. US vs THEM. The Elites vs Joe Six Pack. Big City vs. small Town. I believe they call that a culture war and the republicans tend to wage those pretty effectively.”
Yes and that’s what scares me, that we live in a country where thinking critically and having actual discussions is looked down upon. I think big city and small town people are all the same. People like Palin are simple minded and that has nothing to do with being from a small town. It’s funny how “keeping America safe” has been framed as this critical “small town” issue, when us “big city folks” are actually the ones who end up getting attacked. It’s all so silly. I hope Barack can appeal to these voters, but I’m sure there’s some unique reason why they still can’t “relate to” barack, michelle and the kiddies.
@thelildiva4u
I agree. They have to find chinks in her armour, and disprove the things she’s saying. I’m just not sure its as easy to do. Do you really run against the VP? Is this a sign that the Obama camp is worried?
Notice, she’s taking the battle straight to Obama. No surprise, its what the VP candidate does. I think Biden needs to take McCain to the wood shed. I’m just feeling a little nervous.
Okay, I had the chance to digest some of what she said. I’m not going to speak on strategies for Obama to win the campaign because I have no idea.
I was insulted/turned off by her statements about community organizing. I work in public health and many policy initiatives and health interventions begin at the community level. Working with the community to promote change is a difficult and admirable task at least from my own experience. In my opinion the best politicians are the ones who are truly working with their constituents to promote real change not those who are more concerned with the interests of big business.
And like someone stated previously Barack or Biden can’t go after a white woman to harshly. If they make her cry it’s over!
Gina I’m on PST so it’s only 11pm here.
I think, and I could be totally wrong here, but I think that the Obama campaign’s response is going to be to try to win this game by playing by the Republicans’ rules, which means that Obama will move even further to the right than he already has.
That was a strong punch that she threw when she talked about how Obama said he would not support the wire-tapping bill, but then he turned around (equals flip-flopped) and voted to grant the telecomm companies immunity. Damn! That is the stuff that Obama’s base (which he has taken for granted and neglected to solidify, you know, the liberals and the progressives and the new and the young voters) has been upset with him about. She has taken it and thrown it in his face. You know what, he deserves it.
Time for that 3am call to Hillary! And just when he thought he’d finally gotten rid of her.
redcatbiker wrote on 09.03.08 at 10:57 pm comment:
…She has taken it and thrown it in his face. You know what, he deserves it.
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correction to that comment:
She has taken it and thrown it in his face. And you know what, he deserves to have been punched.
“I also question how well are we “Democrats” organized on the grassroots level to get out voters if things get nasty?”
This is exactly how Obama has changed the game – by all accounts he’s got the best ground game that the democratic party has seen in a long time. He built an organization that beat the vaunted Clinton machine. And how did he build that infrastructure? By going negative? Absolutely not. He did it by stirring folks into a hope-filled frenzy. His opponent mocked him, but it worked. Let’s let him try it again. Why should he go with the old (might I add, failed) strategy of trying to go tit for tat with the republicans on character attacks.
That does not mean, however, that he does not answer the republicans or attack their records. But he can’t go for the jugular the way we want him too. That’s not his game. And let’s not forget, his game is pretty good.
Teenage Pregnancy–Not A Private Matter For Self-Righteous State Governors (How Sarah Got Her Groove Back)
Last night I got a better perspective of Gov. Sarah Palin and I must say I have seen her before. The self-professed hockey mom (please just an adult cheerleader) living out her high school fantasies through her daughter, Bristol. Is that how young Bristol got knocked up? Poor Levi–what did they pull him out of bed and have him get dressed in a dark closet. Give that young man a suit, blue tweed coat/brown pants man you have to coooooordinate!
As for Gov. Palin you are off to being just as poor a grandmother as you were a mother. Did not care to mention your grandson yet to be born (or maybe you did with lil’ Trig)? How is that for family values. Why can’t we make teenage pregnancy an issue in this campaign, Gina? Teenage pregnancy has been a pall over the nation for at least 50 years. We all know young Bristol has the state of Alaska behind her and now the entire Republican nation. What about the young black girl profiled on CNN’s Black in American why can’t young teenage mothers across this nation get a hug. First, we all know that there is a strong correlation between teenage pregnancy and high school dropout. Why? What can the nation do to ensure that teenage mothers get prenatal care, early childhood development for their children, daycare at schools, and the young mothers get help at school for graduation and career planning. Let’s remove this stigma! If this is a private matter, politicians and journalists need to stop making careers exploiting the illegitimacy rate in the Black community. Let’s begin with OBAMA!
Also, Bristol does not look five months pregnant. When is the due date? After Nov. 4, I bet how convenient. When is the wedding date considering they had planned the wedding before the pregnancy? Wow!
McCain will rue the day he did not fulfill BA’s prediction. There is more about Gov. Palin that is shaky, shaky, shaky. Let’s call it BA’s premonition.
http://dallassouthblog.com/2008/09/03/a-note-to-all-by-anne-kilkenny/
The focus should be on John Boy mccain. After listening to Sarah’s executive experience – she has more than Mccain. Let’s stop talking about the baby and talk about Mccain record as a mavrick. I do not want to hear that he voted with Bush 90% of the time – i want the hear what he vetoed – like the clean enery bills, his OWN immigrant legislation – maverick my azzzzzz . Just more “clean sky’s – compassionate consertivisim – no child left behind bull. I can say all the right stuff – but my legislative vote does not reflect my verbal BS.
I have not given money to the Obama camp……but today I write my check……..today I will sign up with the DNC volenteer register………
I can not take 4 more years of this……………..
now we are only $19,780,000 from the 20 million goal (not couting the car gas contribution) hehe
sorry for the typo’s – but now that ihave had a channce to sleep on this Palin has fired up my base – Hillary can not go after Palin – but some other congress woman must – if Hillary does it, it makes Obama weaker. and it must not be a rich white woman or a poor black one. Obama’s focus must stay on Mccain – that is who he is running against.
Gem, you’re kickin’ out of seriously highbrow commentary and analysis. I’m shocked if not surprised. This is some Mary Matalin, Dick Morris, Karl Rove, and that middle aged, heavy set democratic strategist dude who often appears on Fox kinda stuff. I never considered the culture war angle but that stuff was alluded to in the speech. Rove and Morris didn’t mention it but its still early.
Palin did cast Obama as an elitist intellectual type. She found a way to cast herself and McCain as reformers going against the beltway machinery.
As a likely McCain voter, I am cautious in being enthusiastic. I still look at the polls and have the feeling that the odds favor Obama. HOWEVER, Palin’s speech has garnered more of my attention and has strengthened my belief that McCain might have a good shot at the oval office. I’m gonna wait and see.
In some ways, Obama reminds me of David Dinkins. He never connected with the average working class New Yorker. David Dinkins gave the impression that he wanted to show that black folks could be cultured. Often you’d see pictures of him playing tennis. This was ramped up when the US Open came to town. In my youth I was happy over the presence of a black mayor. As I look back, I realize that I really cannot relate to the image of Dinkins that was projected. I like baseball, college football, and eating out at the local deli or pizzeria.
If Palin’s attempt at casting Obama as an elitist works, I wonder if Obama will respond and work to negate it or will he be like Dinkins and allow an “out of touch” characterization to be a large part of his percieved identity. If I remember, Giuliani was able to win by doing this, depicting Dinkins as soft on crime (terrorism in Obama’s case) and against the police (national security in Obama’s case), and railing against him as raising taxes and hurting the economy of New York (something else that Obama is accused of potentially doing).
She didn’t woo me.
She did what a VP is supposed to do. I’m not a mainstreamed white woman though either. I’m for choice about your pregnancy but I’m not glorifying hoodwinking a guy into marriage. I’m not impressed that she hunts or belongs to NRA for life-whatever benefit that is. Supporting a Republican woman to the White House is no subsitute for Hillary! Embracing a family that couldn’t be further from my family and community won’t happen by me.
If they get in I won’t feel bad or guilty. I’ll just face the next 4 years with dread. When you think things can’t get worse, think again. Things can always get worse!
There is no way in hell I would vote for McCain/Palin, but she killed it. She said some cold things, from downgrading his community organizing career and said he managed to write 2 memoirs and not one piece of legislation (ouch)
Rudy Giuliani who I hate with a passion made one good point, how can someone who comes from the Chicago machine politics be about change? As an Obama supporter that is one of my questions about his hope and change routine.
Y’all are falling for it again. I bet all you folks ingdignant about Palin think the dems lost to Bush in 04 because of swiftboat veterans for truth. Wrong!! they lost because of a gay marriage initiative in Ohio.
luckily for y’all this year the Obama campaign is placing mor focuus on organizing because that’s where this election will be won.
the republicans are great at creating distractions that last long enough for them to get into the whitehouse.
so keep going after Palin. She’s doing her job and from the looks of some of these comments, she is doing it very well. If you are really incensed, don’t keep posting links to more rumors about Palin, call the Obama campaign and ask them which states they have the greatest need for volunteers come November.
Republicans would LOVE for this election to be about Palin. They don’t care why the win as long as they win.
“think the issue is she didn’t discuss tough policy so much as she knocked the Dems the ***k out. Period. She’s got those white women wrapped around her finger. “She’s an American woman.” The End.”
Ding Ding Ding we got a winner, Almost—she doesn’t have THIS WHITE WOMAN WRAPPED AROUND HER FINGER IN FACT THIS WHITE WOMAN IS ENRAGED about this entire scam of an election. Palin ladies IS THE SYMBOLISM OF THE FOURTH REICH MOTHER, and that is NO lie…now would be a Really good time to go back and read gender studies of women in pre-war Germany, Italy and yes, Stalin’s Russia, because the use of the SuperMom-SUPERWOMAN model who will work to ban NOT just abortion BUT BIRTH CONTROL that by Nov will be deemed as an abortificant,
this is a new regime we’re talking, not just American politics and for the POOR AND SINGLE MOTHERS AND WORKING CLASS ITS GOING TO BE DEADLY and I do mean deadly. And guess what? I am NOT an Obama supporter,
I speak to you as an Independent and one who looks at issues Long term ramifications of, not just in the here and now and This whole thing with the Right, wreaks OF FASCISM, look at the Cuts in housing for Teen mothers Palin made yet she wants to FORCE MORE TEENS INTO PREGNANCY,
I personally Don’t support abortion, but I do support Choice and most of all, I advocate for the homeless and poor and guess who 60-70% of the homeless are in this country, the invisible homeless? MOTHERS and CHILDREN…did you know in NY city alone, that 43%, 43% now, thats alot, of the TEEN MOTHERS IN SHELTERS, GREW UP
IN FOSTER CARE. FOSTER CARE, not loving homes, and Palin wants to create a system where foster care, a system that is already a mess, is overflowing? And what People DON’T REALIZE is that the ‘force for pregnancy’ is to populate because of the whites becoming a minority, thats a lot of whats driving this AND to fight the MISOGYNISTS in Islam who have made it very loud and clear they will dominate by birth numbers, AND THATS THE ROOT OF WHAT IS DRIVING THE MCCAIN-PALIN this election, a huge part of it. And yes, there IS a real threat, of domination by those who demand Sharia simply by the birth numbers BUT,
even if, lets say you support that, here’s the problem with that thinking…Germany, Italy, Russia, as hellish as they were to women in those ’superwoman years’ of forced pregnancy, THEY AT LEAST PROVIDED HOUSING, DAYCARE, HEALTH CARE, it WASN’T THE BEST OR UTOPIA, no and it was very primitive and they had misogyny kid your self not, under national socialism and revolutionary socialism BUT, AMERICA’S infrastructure and attitude towards the poor and especially Women,
we’re talking about plunging the poor and creating more poor of women–into third world status in this country, ripe for exploitation, sweatshop labor and trafficking. Do McCain and Palin care? HELL NO, its birth numbers, for the military, the race, the nation state…and Then, there is the environment…
This goes beyond REPUBLICAN, THIS IS GETTING INTO HARD CORE RIGHT WING ‘NATIONALISM’, but it is a nationalist that will CUT THE WORKING CLASS AND WORKING POOR TO HER KNEES and it will be Exactly like the NATIONALISTS in South and Central America, look at Peru, those forced pregnancy policies there and, commies, don’t even go there because they sold out to and nine year old girls raped dying because they are forced into childbirth [Ortega], and violence against women and normalizing rape against women, ESPECIALLY POOR WOMEN AND WOMEN OF COLOR, EVERY TIME, I REPEAT, EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A NATIONAL POLICY OF THAT LEVEL OF SUBJUGATION–goes up.
But dont’ forget, McCAin and his Viagra [paid for by insurance now, while birth control still Isn't paid for], men are entitled to ‘fuck’ but DARE a women get pregnant and its tough luck baby…
no, NO NO, this is So much more than Palin being a woman and the Republicans and Dems, again, I am not a Obama supporter either, because I can’t make ‘any alliances’ with any ideology or appeasing of that sanctions abuse of women, that includes Sharia Law which I’d fight like hell–but Economic Slavery, Slavery, that level of control and abuse of women because yes, it IS ABOUT RACISM AND IT IS ABOUT CLASS,
can no way, be allowed to reign over America with impunity, no matter WHAT THE THREATS TO THIS NATION ARE.
And you are right, so many White women, pro-Hilary supporters [most of who have kicked me off their blogs because I won't sell out], are all in Palin’s panties now, well, as far as I’m concerned, THEY ARE TRAITORS TO WOMEN AND THEY NEED TO TAKE FEMINISM OFF THEIR LAPELS AND TAKE THE PRO-HILARY OFF THEIR WEBS because how can Any one day, say they are for women and one way, fight for a woman WHO OPPOSED EVERYTHING PALIN STANDS FOR,
and the next, just dump it all and become Republican? They are Willing to sacrifice THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AND LITTLE GIRLS WHO WILL GROW UP WITH THE DECISIONS WE MAKE TODAY, OUR DAUGHTERS, all because they don’t like Obama,
well, like Obama or not, the EXTREME FASCIST ISSUES PALIN IS GOING TO PUSH THAT IS GOING TO EFFECT ALL WOMEN–its not about OBAMA anymore,
its about us, women and our daughters. IF, IF they win, god forbid, and they turn Roe and ban BIRTH CONTROL–I am, going to demand a revolution, no I’m not crazy, but they ARE GOING TO PAY, FOR THE HEALTH CARE, CHILD CARE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR ALL THOSE WOMEN AND GIRLS THEY FORCE INTO PREGNANCY WHILE THEY PAY FOR VIAGRA…OR ELSE…
they can Expect tent cities in front of EVERY REPUBLICAN AND PRO-LIFE CENTER IN THIS COUNTRY…let them SEE the faces of the women they have hurt with their misogynist and cruel policies and cuts in programs that help women, all these years…
I am livid and every woman who knows or has struggled to feed her kids or flee an abusive marriage and knows, KNOWS how the system demonizes women–and they want to do that more AND FORCE PREGNANCY,
oh HELL NO, PALIN CAN BLOW ALL THE SPEECHES SHE WANTS LIKE SMOKE OUT OF HER ASS–BUT THIS IS WAR,
BECAUSE I, A WOMAN, AM TIRED, OF TAKING IT LYING DOWN…and you, poster of the white woman and Palin having them wrapped, thats because THOSE WHITE WOMEN, are the Upper class who, they care for women’s rights, to a POINT–but like the Bathory Feminists they are, ITS ABOUT CLASS, as long as its about Their interests, hey, they can afford to leave the country if they need to get birth control…
most of us CAN’T. Palin appeals to those with PRIVILEGE, who want to keep their Privilege and to HELL WITH THE REST OF WOMEN HERE…well,
America doesn’t need to become Uganda or Peru where thousands of teens and women are poor, pregnant, stuck in abusive marriages because they Can’t leave with five kids…and especially because without birth control or abortion [and I don't like abortion but I'm REALISTIC enough to know sometimes there is that no choice, other than adoption and That isn't a utopic thing either, and in fact, THEY ARE FORCING POOR WOMEN NOW, IN THIS COUNTRY BY THREATS AND COERCION TO GIVE BABIES UP FOR ADOPTION...YOU JUST DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE POOR,
AND INVISIBLE.
Well, rest assured Palin, if the Right wing fascists get elected and push those anti-woman policies, I'm going to see to it, the Ramifications of those policies aren't invisible, but before they produce one more situation of Poverty--THEY DAMN BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN [THOSE SO CONCERNED OVER FETUSES] IN NEW ORLEANS WHO STILL DON’T HAVE HOUSING…
time for A REVOLUTION
Natasha
http://wami-womenagainstmaleimperialism.blogspot.com/
@ginamobi
luckily for y’all this year the Obama campaign is placing mor focuus on organizing because that’s where this election will be won.
Excellent point. It was Obama’s ground game that got by Hillary. Actually, Americans took experience off the table months, ago. Not McCain. Obama placed change on the table. “How you gonna get change with that OLD man whose been in Washington 30 years?”
Then McCain said, “Like this!” And whipped out his 44 year old, female, moose hunter.
I don’t know if its checkers, chess, or tennis. But, clearly the ball is in Obama’s court. Regardless, he needs a good strategy.
It may not come with a bunch of talk. He may just quietly be raising the bar in individual American communities. Perhaps that’s where his “community organizer” (whatever the &*@# that is)background comes in handy. Skip the big talk, register more voters, get the most voters to the poll – and as Gina said, run out the clock.
It ain’t pretty, but it could work.
Gem,
The speech was divisive and no substance. She delivered well, however, I was looking for her to talk about the issues. I was completely turned off by the GOP right now. The attacks by all of the speakers last evening had no substance. I believe many Americans have been turned off as well. But we will see in November.
Here’s the thing. McCain goes on TV defending this woman and says that her foreign policy experience is that the state that she governed for less than half a term, is in close proximity to Russia? Where is the outrage of such a statement? That is akin to saying that just because you live in a house that is overrun with insects that you are a qualified expert on insect behavior. Or that if your child can count to ten he or she is suddenly a vetted statistician. It is amazing how little politicians rely on people not thinking. He is really insulting the people of this country. And this chick apparently is more than willing to play along with the joke. There should be outrage over this…. SERIOUSLY
W Page…and let’s add the fact that he has voted againist increasing the Minimum wage.
Gina…i consign what this campaign will be about is who can get there folks to the polls!
We need some of these folks like the Urban League, NAACP, AKA, Kappa,Omga’s, Whathouse project, Brad Pitt and Angela Jolie to do major voter registration drives and rent buses on the day of the campaign to ensure voters vote. Second, and yes I going to keep harping on this. We need a PAC to just find out who this Council for National Policy is who are the members? I beleive tha something behind this one.
Natasha said “this is a new regime we’re talking, not just American politics and for the POOR AND SINGLE MOTHERS AND WORKING CLASS ITS GOING TO BE DEADLY and I do mean deadly…..where you ease dropping on me and my mama’s conversation last night. My mama said “ I’m worried this women/party wants to create a permenate underclass…it’s about economics and for the next 6 months I going to sure up my finances ”.
Natasha also said “This goes beyond REPUBLICAN, THIS IS GETTING INTO HARD CORE RIGHT WING ‘NATIONALISM’, but it is a nationalist that will CUT THE WORKING CLASS AND WORKING POOR.
Correct and that’s why I posted the link to Democracy Now…ya’ll better listen and/or watch (move to 1 hour and 18 mins).
“Council for National Policy(GOOGLE them!)…who are these people? The Most Powerful Power Brokers who were the hidden hand who vetted Palin. They are an umbrella group of the most powerful figures, the biggest donors, and the biggest activist. “TheocracyWatch, a CRESP project, describes it as “an umbrella organization of right-wing leaders who gather regularly to plot strategy, share ideas and fund causes and candidates to advance the theocratic agenda.”
Teddy said… This is exactly how Obama has changed the game – by all accounts he’s got the best ground game that the democratic party has seen in a long time. He built an organization that beat the vaunted Clinton machine.” True, but it wasn’t like he ran away with the election it was close.
Democrats, Democrats, Democrats – y’all so stupid. Don’t you know it’s NEVER about the issues. That was a redneck woman up there who was taking yo’ boy Obama to the tree . Yeah, she had the noose. And Yeah, the crowd cheered.
I’m sorry but she delivered the hell out of that speech. Granted she had SEVERAL days to talk about it. The problem with the Dems is they don’t know how to fight like this. EXCEPT THE CLINTONS. The Dems have not only got to fight hard, they’ve got to stretch the truth a little bit and go after them like PITBULLS. But Obama and Biden don’t do that. Biden basically complimented her on her speech. He continues to say that John is a friend of his and that he appreciates and respects his POW experience. WTF?!!!
Democrats stop acting like a toothless tiger. God, I wish Hillary was in this thing because Bill and HIllary would be RUTHLESS, STRATEGIC AND UNFORGIVING. We’ve got Obama/Biden are the boyscott boys trying to fight lions.
Everybody, listen up. McCain will win.
No, the Dems don’t need to stretch the truth, because there is enough TRUTH OF MISERY in this country that IF they stopped pandering to elites [including in communist and socialist left who are bourgeoisie as hell and have sold the people out Years ago] and get BACK TO THE PEOPLE,
they could yes, fight this. But they are too stuck in ideological ‘utopias’ seriously, pandering to forces that would do more than subject us to ‘wage slavery’…
and its not just the left in America its worldwide. Its going to have to Be a uprising of the people, bottom line, BUT,
we are talking an infrastructure that is not just so embedded but that is GLOBAL. IF the Dems want to win this thing, they are going to have to focus on the Workers now, the failures of the Bush admin and REMIND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHY THEY WERE DISCONTENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE,
and Drive that nail hard. What HURT the Dem party was the silence to Hilary’s attackers AND, I will say it, dare I will, comments such as, ‘we don’t need the white poor or the latinos, etc.’, Those comments screwed and I do mean Screwed the dems,
That, and some of the alliances, and the Right used those to steer away from the discontent and the reasons for AND IT WORKED. Because there ARE fanatical and JUST AS MISOGYNIST forces that are, yes, working in those alliances and behind the scenes within the Dem party and like they have hurt the far left, they are now hurting the liberal left, and I say this knowing because I saw how those forces were working in the far left YEARS AGO, before Obama even came on the scene.
The international tensions, rise of theocratic extremism And the effects of globalization are all intertwined with multinationals [who pretty much own this country no matter Who is in office], and what we are seeing in America is what they’ve been dealing with all over Europe, but now its come to our shores or is revealing itself more, put it that way, except we have a different development and consciousness And philosophy in this country, which makes it more difficult I think,
for the grass roots [who haven't been hijacked by totalitarian vanguards] to rise up against the infrastructure. Anything that Obama uses now will be used against him,
sexism, elitism, classism, you name it, McCain’s choice, political genius, but, Dems played RIGHT INTO THEIR HANDS,
you got to confront the race nationalism, while Yes, I understand it, it will work against workers, women, your average Joe and Susie, know what I mean…and we Have to stop pandering to relativism that may ‘look’ like solidarity but we are really playing into the hands of the enemy, fascisms are complimentary to fascism, theocracy to theocracy, super masculine anti-feminism to super masculine anti-feminism and Both,
condone slavery and utilize slavery for expanionism of EMPIRE. And a good example of what I’m referring to, is the decolonization in Africa, the left and then the rise of theocracy in Africa and Despotism, and the people of Africa in many areas are in worse shape–what I call the ‘hereditary of imperialist poison and NOT just American Imperialism’.
The Dems, could focus on these issues:
rise of homelessness and foreclosures due to outrageous cost of housing AND the failures of the Smart Development plan, regentrification and big development [though, Rezko will bite them in the ass on that one, but focus on it anyway]
tent cities all over this country–shanty towns and HOW in the hell with That crumbling infrastructure do they plan to support a wide birth boom with their 1940-50s leave it to beaver society?
Two wars, ongoing but yet, we have businesses pandering to Sharia Financing here in America–Plus, companies pandering to religious extremes [all brought to you by none other than Catholic Charities btw] while DISPLACING AMERICAN AND LATINO WORKERS, IMMIGRANTS BOTH DOCUMENTED AND UNDOCUMENTED, which basically what they are doing is ’shifting’ global workers, the poor, to what ever makes them the most profit for cheap goods but At the expense of workers here
student loan debt that is spiraling and the fact that more white collar jobs are being outsource Plus insourced, blue collar jobs, etc….
National Security claims by the Right YET they won’t confront their investing in the very countries that are a threat to us…when you Confront the Right on this, silence, they Want the old American way of life, fighting the threats YET, using the biological fodder, the poor to do so, while they keep their wealth–good examples, investments in Dubai and Nail Bush on his Free Trade with Oman
something else to consider, Bush, did fight trafficking, I’ll give him that much, BUT, if, they plunge American women into four children per family with their Nationalist agenda WITHOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT, that is going to plunge us into a crumbling economy worse than now, Similar to many Eastern countries that, hey, guess what, trafficking of women And children soars,
and it WILL HAPPEN HERE, but what they Don’t stop and think–where does the monies from trafficking and that black market Go to? Arms for terrorists, is who that monies go too, cartels, etc.,
now, they want to boom the population and bring back good ole white america to fight terrorism, but it will FAIL because the vulnerability of the poor in this nation will make us Ripe for cartels and corruption Just as it has in every country with those types of extreme nationalist policies and then, you have monies flowing with women and children as commodities, that pay for the very arms that the enemies use to strike at the nation,
NOT good National Security policy, in fact, its suicidal.
The military, the Dems could SLAM THE RIGHT FOR NOT ADDRESSING THE RAPES OF WOMEN IN OUR MILITARY…for a nation that wants a strong national security, you Don’t do that by betraying the very ones fighting for you…
not just rapes, but cuts in services, 7,000 HOMELESS WOMEN ARE VETERANS FOR THE US, men more so,
THATS TREASON AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.
The anti-war focuses on Palestine, great,
START FOCUSING ON THE BETRAYALS TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT FOUGHT FOR PATRIOTISM AND FREEDOM AND GOT STABBED IN THE BACK,
if you want to hit them and hit them hard on their HYPOCRISY,
Those issues are the issues that were Pissing off so many Americans and they’ve gotten Lost in this country…Unions being busted, or workers being threatened,
Oh, then there is the Big Brother not just ‘credit checks’ for employment but NOW its the ‘lifestyle checks’ that, the companies can hire third parties to go interview you ex husband, neighbor, to see if you fit their ‘morality’ bill BEFORE YOU GET A JOB,
its a real clever means in discriminating against the ‘undesirables’ But hey hey,
more undocumented workers [and no I'm not against immigration] but showing you, How they are pitting people against people, fighting real extremist terrorism YET PROPPING IT UP AT THE SAME TIME [the left is guilty of this too, but focusing on the right for now],
the BANKRUPTCY laws, are going to hurt Biden, so they’ll need to get to the root as to WHY SO MANY BANKRUPTCIES are being filed, more in the past five years by Middle Class than in all our history since the Depression,
gee, there are So many issues, that the Republicans have said, let them eat cake,
that they could CRUCIFY THEM ON if they Just do it and damnit,
stop pandering and kissing the ass of corporations and elites and far left despot ’state Capitalists’ because thats what they are, who sell out their own kids if it gets them power,
and IT HAS TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT SAY, OH NO, YOU WILL FIGHT FOR THESE ISSUES OR WE TAKE IT TO THE STREETS…
and I’d like to say these are issues that we can just continue to talk about, that the crisis is way off in yonder years,
but we can’t afford that luxury anymore, either the People rise up, or the Vanguards, Right and Left will,
and you know enough about history and international I would hope, to KNOW what happens to the masses when the despots and nationalists and theocrats go to war,
the masses are screwed, and women and children, more so…
bottom line, this isn’t McCain’s and Obama’s war, oh no,
THIS IS OUR WAR, and if we have Any chance in hell of survival, we had damn sure better start fighting and fighting now…not waiting for no savior to do it for us, because they Won’t, if we don’t make our voices and demands Loud enough. And its fine to think global, but we can’t do Anything global,
if we are dying. We have wars going on in our Cities in this country, prisons filling up with Kids even,
tent cities in CA, one in LA that was all women and the police busted it up but can’t sleep in parks, illegal, can’t sleep in cities or under bridges or streets, illegal and deadly,
where do these people go?
And, McCain and Palin, want to create a mass population boom, a militarized nation under a police state with wrecking the environment, Granted I concur we need to GET OUT from dependence of oil, [which This country propped up and created that problem], but we need common sense issues there,
they want nationalized oil and national security but damn they Won’t give up those SUVs,
or even walk to the store when its only two blocks away…they are driving this nation into the GRAVE,
and US WITH IT.
McCain may be a Maverick on many issues, maybe tough when it comes to national security, BUT, you Can’t fight, a gang, down the street who is killing your kids,
when you are out buying the bullets and selling those bullets to them half price,
and you can’t expect your family to fight a gang well fed while you starve them and only feed the few in your house…
it just defies common sense. IF, politically speaking, IF the Right really wanted to have a strong security, they need to start AT HOME,
they focus on borders yet they leave our shipyards wide open, etc etc etc
A LOT of bad strategy and policy on the Right, if the Dems got out from the ‘ones pulling the strings’ and Fought, on Those issues, they would have a strong chance of winning…
Bring it back, to the People and Why the people were Discontented in the first place, the People in THIS COUNTRY, NOT OVER IN PALESTINE, IRAN, etc.,
but in This country…
and then by golly stand Firm on it and don’t budge and Rip the Robber Barons to Shreds.
Natasha
Director of WAMI
I will say this, if this is what one speech can do to ignite such vigorous and healthy debates among Black folks, I wonder how we’re all going to feel “the morning after” we’ve all been hoodwinked, one ‘mo ‘gin…eight years is not enough for some folks. What will we be talkin’ ’bout in November as we areleft to figure it all out “on our own.” It was a speech, people. Well crafted and well writtten by ex-Bush speech writers. However, well written, I’m not impressed. Let’s be realistic, the Repubs needed a storm…for that matter they needed a defibrilator (think I heard a couple of “code blue’s last week coming from the Repubs) Their responses all seemed scripted and forced. What else are they going to say???
Let’s face it, Obama won the Dem nomination, I don’t care how close. And let’s face it, he has the right to choose how and who he wants working with him. I would have voted for Hillary, no matter what. But she is not the winning candidate of choice for me. It seems that some of us are so misguided by the thought that a woman in office will work to our advantage. Palin represents everything I am not, with the exception of somewhat similar anatomy. From where I sit, the same goes for Hillary …she ain’t Hillary. How soon we
forget…does anyone remember the Repubs take on Murphy Brown. A single-working pregnant character…to the Repubs, that was surely a fantasy, no way, no how can a woman be single and still uphold the goodness of motherhood with (gasp) a real job. My how things (mind-sets) have changed.
This will all blow over by next week, and the real deal will present itself. Obama has been very smart throughout his candidacy. No need to over-react to a speech that really has absolutely no substance.
My versionof the three o’clock phone call…
From what I saw, I wasn’t impressed. She sounded like any average bitter and self-entitled white woman on the streets walking. That’s why they like her so much.
I personally am over bitter, smug white women who wear their privilege like a gaudy platinim Jesus piece.
I am every bit a working mother but an ignorant, clownish, condescending twit is not even in the same league as working moms who go above and beyond. I’m about to be a soccer mom, manage two babies 5 years apart, and I still don’t have anything to discuss with her. Unlike her,being an ignoramus wasn’t an option. There are lots of moms like myself who never took the beauty queen route although we could have. If she had anything in common with us, why is she popping kids out? Most of us can’t afford one kid out with this recession.
What is appealing about her to her fans is that she is what they perceive to be the typical american woman and they have said that. She is not a scholar. She will not make people challenge themselves to find their higher selves through knowledge. She probably doesn’t like “big” words and is like the average american statistically: reads a book on average for three minutes but watches hours of tv.
I hope I didn’t offend anyone. I just hate her Obama or no Obama. Women like her do women a disservice. They aren’t for women. They push male reproductive agendas and after centuries of that sh*t, it’s played.
All of you complaining that Gov. Palin did not discuss policy are missing the point: she was not there to discuss policy; she was there to answer her critics and to pump up McCain. If she had not addressed the MSM’s obsession with her family, people would have complained. If I recall, the Dems did a lot of bashing themselves during their convention… that is what each party does at their respective conventions. Regardless of how you feel about Republicans in general – Gov. Palin nailed it! She showed everyone she is not afraid of obama or the MSM. And, everyone needs to face the fact that she WILL energize the largest voting block of all groups – white women (not each and every one, but enough to win, IMO).
As for Hillary Clinton (whom I supported throughout the primary), depending upon what he says to her, she just might help Obama out but probably not until he retires all of her campaign debt.
The MSM has done a great disservice to Obama, IMO. The public has the general idea that they are “in the tank” for Obama and are trying to “sell” Obama to them. These are the comments I hear from colleagues and people who strike up a conversation with me while I’m shopping in Costco or Sam’s Club. I think the Obama campaign should take more time to respond to gabs from the Republicans instead of wanting to jump out there and be first to say something.
“The MSM has done a great disservice to Obama, IMO. The public has the general idea that they are “in the tank” for Obama and are trying to “sell” Obama to them. These are the comments I hear from colleagues and people who strike up a conversation with me while I’m shopping in Costco or Sam’s Club.”
Rasmussen Reports has been tracking this sentiment, also.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
“If she had anything in common with us, why is she popping kids out?”
I don’t know what to say.
Yes, a great VP, and in 4 or 8 years the best Pres!
pinky: “She’s got those white women wrapped around her finger.”
With over 80% of blacks voting for Barack Hussein Obama II, who’s got who wrapped around what?!
Seattle Slim said ““If she had anything in common with us, why is she popping kids out?””
What does that have to do with anything? What does that have to do with the campaign. There are plenty of families with more than 2.1 children in fact many of our parents and grandparents have 7 or 10 siblings.
I don’t see your reasoning. AT ALL.
Liza,
If you read the comments I think there are plenty of people who believe that the use of the 1 year old daughter against the mother is inappropriate. If you know anything about this blog, you would know that it exists because to the neglect, misuse, abuse, and slander of Black women and girls.
Let’s not begin to throw racial victimization around because we could dedicate an entire blog to the stereotyping and unfair treatment of MIchelle Obama. Oh i forget, we do have an entire blog just for that. MichelleObamaWatch.com
Everyone is being distracted by the other side’s shenanigans, These are serious times with serious issues.
Seattle Slim said “If she had anything in common with us, why is she popping kids out? Most of us can’t afford one kid out with this recession”
I take it you are a lawyer with degrees from Princeton and Harvard, and you and your husband’s income was close to $1,000,000 for ONE YEAR! — That would be Michelle Obama. I don’t know about you, but M.O. sounds more like a ” self-entitled _____ woman” to me.
HAHAHA entitled Black women? in what world?
That’s fine, gem. You don’t have to see my reasoning. But then again you don’t have children. Most women cannot afford more than one child because of various reasons. The fact that she is able to have child after child in thse economic times indicates a certain privilege that most of us don’t have.
I am not jumping on her bandwagon. Everyone else can celebrate this plebeian ignoramus, but I refuse to. Priveleged white women and I have nothing in common nor to discuss.
Liza,
Whereas Sarah Palin was handed most evrything to her, Michelle worked hard for it and she still gets no respect from white americans. You do not want to go there. Save that for a day you feel like getting trounced.
I think Gina may be right. This is one huge distraction. My father and mother had more than 10 siblings each. And, certainly not because my grandmothers felt they were women of means. Even today, some of the poorest women in our communities end up with the most children.
To be honest, I can’t identify entirely with any of these candidates on a personal issues, not Obama-Biden, nor McCain-Palin.
It’ll have to come down to certain social and economic issues. Whichever issues win out with me on election day.
Interesting show on BlogTalk!
Show Description: “Gloria Allred — the heroic Clinton delegate from California — will be our guest. We’ll be talking about the delegate petition, the roll call vote, and what really happened on August 27th.”
Host Name: NO WE WON’T
There are over 140 listeners.
Hmm, I would say they’re still mad.
http://blog.pumapac.org/
“There is no way in hell I would vote for McCain/Palin, but she killed it. She said some cold things, from downgrading his community organizing career and said he managed to write 2 memoirs and not one piece of legislation (ouch)
Rudy Giuliani who I hate with a passion made one good point, how can someone who comes from the Chicago machine politics be about change? As an Obama supporter that is one of my questions about his hope and change routine.”
1. Obama has written and worked to pass legislation
2. Obama was a community organizer as well as a state senator. In both jobs, he worked with more people than Palin did while she was the mayor of Wasilla.
Some supporter you are. I would love for her to compare his state senate experience with her mayorial experience since they are two elected offices!
He speech was packed with lies.
Iman has made the most sense on this board.