About this time last year, I told y’all about a STUDY ( because y’all know we love those around here) that said that Teachers Punish Black Girls for being Assertive:
The Gender Public Advocacy Coalition reports that teachers at the Texas school were observed over a two year period, disciplining black girls to show more passivity and deference, when other children were “rarely disciplined in the same manner for their actions”. The F-Word
Now there is a new study saying that Black girls are twice as likely to be hit/paddled/get licks from their teachers than their White counterparts.
African American students are more than twice as likely to be paddled. The disparity persists even in places with large black populations, the study found. Similarly, Native Americans were more than twice as likely to be paddled, the study found.
The study also found:
- In states where paddling is most common, black girls were paddled more than twice as often as white girls.
- Boys are three times as likely to be paddled as girls. MSNBC
Well at least part of that has to be the lens through which their behavior is viewed. Not surprising my state gets mentioned prominently in the article.
I only got one paddling in school and it was absolutely WORTH IT and every time I see Mrs G**** in the grocery store when I go home I remember that. Randy F ( yes, I remember his name to this day) called me a “n*gger” in the third grade. Granted Randy called lots of people “n*gger”, but he managed never to get a paddling. This was BEFORE hip hop popularized calling Black folks n*gger. It was not a term of endearment. Mrs. G**** was a Black lady too! There should have been solidarity. Whateva. It was worth taking “the licks”. Randy wherever you are, I haven’t forgotten.
Children are People Too
For the record parents, this single childless advice giver does not believe in corporal punishment at all– belt, switch, paddle, doesn’t matter to me, its all the same. I always do my best to make parents who spank their children in front of me feel as horrible as it tis’ possible to make someone feel with a single look of disgust. This includes relatives. No apologies! If you want to abuse your children, have the decency to do it in the privacy of your home like the olden days. I don’t want to have your poor parenting skills foisted on me and invading my cerebral cortex. Spanking is a sign of weakness.
“We teach our children that violence is wrong, yet corporal punishment teaches children that violence is a way to solve problems,” said Jan Harp Domene, the group’s president. “It perpetuates a cycle of child abuse. It teaches children to hit someone smaller and weaker when angry.” MSNBC
Exactly, it means your child has outsmarted you and the only retaliation you have available is to take advantage of your physical strength. (Not true? Well send me an email when you spank a fully grown adult.) I’ll stop there because I don’t want to start a riot in the comments, but I could go on. Yes, I was spanked as a child. No, it didn’t work. To those parents who say”But you turned out alright!”. My response is “I could have turned out BETTER!”
PS. there is a special place in HELL for a teacher that paddles a mentally handicapped student.
Special education kids were more likely to be paddled. MSNBC
Commence your caterwauling bestowing on me the virtues of hitting tiny people who are physically weaker than you are.
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Actually my first comment isn’t one. Question, I can’t get to your archives with your archive button at the top of the page. Can you tweak that or did I miss something when it sent me to the 404 page? I wanted to go back to July and read your Blogging While Brown posts. Summer school didn’t allow for much blogging or blog reading.
When did you switch over from blogspot? I’m glad you made the jump into your own domain.
I’ll try to come back and reply to your post of the day and contribute to the caterwalling against your view after class. Gotta go.
I agree that spanking or paddling should never be done in schools, etc. But I also feel that if a child is endangering themselves or others and only as a last resort – that corporal punishment can have a place in moral development (in the home). However, you are right. If you are spanking all of the time, counseling may be necessary because there may be a lack of connection between child and parent to see why. There may be a lack of parenting, trust, love – but the child is acting out in response to something. It is a complicated issue, but this type of punishment is only a very small part of the moral development package, should never be done out of anger or for retaliation, and MUST be done when young. A green tree can be shaped, but waiting until it is brown will break it or is impossible.
Spanking is not necessarily a sign of poor parenting skills and weakness. It’s a legitimate form of discipline when administered appropriately. Marjorie Gunnoe’s study found that unlike white boys, there is a corrolation between spanking and a decrease in anti-social behavior in black boys.
I’m not trying to change your mind about spanking – to each his own. I’m not a parent either, so we’ll see what happens with my own kids, though I’m open to spanking if I find that it’s effective.
Anyway, I don’t like the possible import of that study – that Black girls need their wills broken.
I don’t believe in spanking. Can we agree that it is just one of the many forms of punishment? Spanking incites anger and resentment in a child, something that lingers for a lifetime if its done enough. It always lowers self esteem. Feeling a short lived sting of consequence for you action isn’t going to teach your kids the value of good behavior. I punish by taking things they love the most away for a period of time. This gives the child time to think about it every time they want to play that video game or have fun at recess. If I knew I would have life’s pleasures and fun taken from me I’d be less likely to mess it up, but if I knew I could do some crazy shyt and suffer for only a few moments then I’d say eff it, lets roll the misbehavin wagon out. From a mental standpoint its not as effective…instead we need to think about from more of a psycological standpoint. Remember how we were punished when we were brought to America. Carrying on that tradition isn’t productive at all. As far as black girls being punished more, that’s easy. We were taken away from our native land because of the strength of our culture and power we had to endure and build. The black woman helped build this nation on her breast and hips. Having such power is threatening so suppressing early by paddling and keeping a certain mentality alive in hopes of combating our strenghts within only makes sense. We just gotta stop emulating what’s given and use our intelligence to offer sound solutions when it comes to raising our kids. Mine are straight A students, no dad around and well behaved outside of what kids normally do…and I’ve never spanked them, ever. They think twice before doing something crazy if getting caught means taking away television for a month. The are other ways to facilitate moral development. Corporal punishment is only a temporary solution. There are other ’smart’ ways – we just have to take time to THINK about it vs. raising the hand first chance we get.
The black girls are punished more harshly for the same reason Michelle Obama is criticized so severely. Society dislikes seeing us strong and empowered.
I was spanked as a child and I have occasionally spanked as a parent. I moved away from spanking because I think it is often a reflection of the parent’s frustration rather than an appropriate response to what a child has done/not done.
As BlackGirl said, there are more effective ways of correcting and guiding behavior. I stopped spanking the day I allowed my daughter to chose her own punishment from three options and she quickly chose the spanking.(!) BTW, she didn’t get the spanking that time; her computer time was yanked instead.
Remember the “too grown” discussion we had on MOW about Sandra Rose’s comments about Malia Obama?
http://michelleobamawatch.com/sandra-rose-malia-obama-too-grown
This does not surprise me at all. I am glad that I did not go to a school that believes in spanking – my mother did NOT need any help in that area!
Well, I’ve spent over a decade in the classroom and I’m highly skeptical of the notion that black girls (or boys) are being disciplined because of “assertiveness” as opposed to blatant disruption of the educational process. Unfortunately I have found that generally the most disruptive children in your average school are the black children. No other groups of children are as prone as the black children to verbally abuse teachers, fight other students, destroy property and disrupt the educational process. The black boys lead all students in such behavior while the black girls lead among the girls. It’s rarely a case of aggressive assertiveness toward academics or simple self expression. The anti-intellectualism in our community is brought to the schools and too many of the black students work hard to turn the schools into social settings as opposed to institutions of learning.
The irony is that often the teachers that the black children respect the most are those teachers who are the harshest. I was reading as study whereas black students often express pride in how tough their teacher was. This is also strong in the pride the athletes take in the tough, no nonsense coaches.
Even when it comes to spanking at home, how often do we see adult, both young and old, bragging and joking about the a$$ whippings they received as children? Jamie Fox is an example. It’s almost a sense of pride and black children don’t seem to experience the “trauma” from spankings that white kids do. Research has shown this, and if spanking lowers self-esteem, why is it that multiple studies show that black people, who are twice as likely as whites to approve of spanking, generally show higher self-esteem than any other racial group?
@Redshift: People who have high self-esteem don’t behave in the ways you have described. Regardless of what some studies may report, people who have high self esteem don’t tolerate the conditions that exist in many of our schools and neighborhoods.
We need to look closely at how “self-esteem” has been defined in these studies. I’ve read some of these reports. I don’t believe them because the everyday facts of how people are living don’t reflect high self-esteem.
If we teach our kids they can only be controlled or directed by being physically hit, struck, or restrained, we can expect to see a lot of violence. And that’s what we are seeing.
Deborah
I must respectfully disagree. Very often, an elevated self-esteem results in one being less self-critical. I can honestly see how black people are high in self-esteem. As a people, we don’t feel self-conscious about our pathologies. So many black people are proud to flaunt idiocy and seemingly think that it is cute. To me, this is the result of an elevated self-esteem that tends to prevent embarrassment and self criticism.
If you recall in some of those studies, it is pointed out that black women have a more positive body image than white women. Overweight black women, while acknowledging being overweight, still have the strong feeling of looking good. Thus, they are not motivated to loose weight. Someone who sees an overweight black women wearing tight Daisy Dukes with her mid-drift out may accuse her of having low self-esteem, but the opposite is true. Her self esteem is high to the point whereas it causes her to look ridiculous to most people.
Also, back in the 50s and 60s, black kids were spanked a lot more harshly and commonly than they are today, yet black kids and adults are more violent today than they were back then. Calling normal spanking “violence” is like calling time-out or grounding “imprisonment”. It is very disingenuous.
@ Redshift: say what? I would suggest that there is quite a bit of difference between me getting a royal a$$ whipping as a kid by my parents versus getting one from a teacher. That’s what Parent-Teacher conferences are for. Under NO circumstances should a teacher be putting their hands on a child – black, white, male, female, assertive or agressive. If the parent isn’t available- the send the kid to the principal’s office and if its real bad – call “po-po”!
@ Glory: “Anyway, I don’t like the possible import of that study – that Black girls need their wills broken.” Agree with you! Sounds like the goal here is to break us early like they do with wild horses. This make me a very Angry Black Woman!
@ Gina: left you a little sumthin sumthin for MOW @ SjP’s
@Redshift: I am making a distinction between true self-esteem and an elevated sense of self that comes from a refusal to be honest and self-critical. I’ve seen those Daisy Duke short wearers out there! I understand your points, but I don’t think we are seeing true self-esteem. We are seeing a lack of critical self-analysis.
I don’t believe all black boys respond best to physical punishment. These are the same young men who are filling our jails after leaving school. They have learned exactly what we have taught them: use force to get your way.
I thought it was interesting that the study mentioned how physical punishment is used against Native Americans at the same rate as is used for blacks. It looks like our fates are intertwined.
I was raised in the 60s and you are right. There was more spanking back then. But I also think there was more certainly that those who spanked you did love you and would always be there for you.
My last spanking was when I was 17 and I deserved it and it worked. It reinforced that if I ever felt compelled to speak back to my mother it needed to be done in my head not out loud verbally. I believe children need to be reminded who is in control and from my observations, time outs don’t work. Children should respectfully fear adults. And an occasional spanking is not abuse. A beating everytime you come home just because is abuse.
I’m not sure if I would let a teacher spank my child (if I ever have children). The teacher would have to be someone I knew and trust. I’ve substituted in a school where the parents gave permission to the teachers to spank their child. If a parent feels their child needs to be spanked to discipline their child that is the parent’s right.
I don’t spank my oldest often but spanking is in the repertoire. Mr. Slim who is white was spanked and believes in spanking as well.
I was spanked and I never had low self esteem because of it. To the contrary I suffered low self-esteem due to teasing from american kids because I was a foreigner.
I thank God my mom spanked me. I never felt bullied at all. I made the distinction that I was being spanked because after all the opportunities I had to stop messing around I kept going and I had to pay the piper. As a teen that came in handy. Because I knew my mom was a force to be reckoned with I stayed out of trouble and didn’t wild out. I thank her everyday for doing her job even when it hurt her heart to do so.
I hate when I have to spank my kids. But I do it at times because I love them and I take my job seriously. They are my life.
I take no offense at someone implying I am a weak parent because I spank. At the end of the day they are my responsibility and they know I love them just like I know they love their mama. To each his own
I’m a teacher and I must say that girls tend to be catty. At the same time, no teacher should be allowed to spank students. Not all teachers can be trusted with that responsibility. That’s why I shudder at the thought of teachers carrying guns to school (Texas anyone?)
Commence your caterwauling – haha.
People should have to get licenses to have children just like everything else.
I found the first study to be interesting…
Mabye some of the people here have different experiences.
I was always scolded for being too assertive, too confident etcc..
1. A teacher once told my mother that I would grow up to be a “bitch” because I dressed too nice.
2. My dance teacher hated me and told me that I needed to stop showing off. I was never showing off. However she never told any of the white girls that ever. We all had to do the same routines and she always picked on me.
3. A teacher once gave me a C when I deserved a B+ or better because he felt that I needed to learn my place. He wrote that on my report card. This was in my sophmore year of high school.
4. I was suspended for 5 days and the my high school banned me from prom because they claimed that I physically threatened another dancer in my performing arts program. I did no such thing and that is far from my personality. I was falsely accused. The school jumped all over it and distorted the entire situation because I was black. They even wrote on the report that I was a “hostile and angry black girl”. They treated me like a criminal despite the fact that I was on the dean’s list and four months away from starting @ Columbia U.
5. My house principal would constantly pull me in his office for no reason simply to harass me because he felt that I “thought too highly of myself”.
6. In the 3rd grade, I received a perfect 100 in every class and received the principal award. The school prinicpal and teacher told my mother at the mid-year parent teacher meeting that “it was not going to last”. My mother was shocked that they seemed angry when it should have been a happy moment.
7. I have been accused of plagarism every single school year since kindergarten. Each teacher claims that they did not believe that I was capable of that level of work.
8. Whenever I tried to defend myself. I was scolded and got into more trouble.
There is more but I will leave it at that.
When I watch the way in which the media and our society treats a Michelle Obama for instance, it just brings back all the memories of this sort of treatment. While it may break some people, it did not break me. I read the comments people made about Malia Obama. I also see the treatment that my younger cousins receive in school. I am going to look into that study because it just confirms that I am not crazy.
Redshift, Fox News is hiring. Enough said.
I’m a little late on this but a combination (spanking and other tactics) are useful. The time, place, and age is crucial but, for me, maintaining my child’s dignity is paramount. I also realized, however, that an important lesson in life is that “everyone, at some point, has to take a beating” – figuratively and literally. Here is when I employed spanking: When my child gave the appearance of darting into a parking lot AND, while driving, my child decided to remove her seatbelt in order to roam around the backseat. That was an instance in which I felt the consequences had to have an immediate impact. There are no second chances in a parking lot or a car that tumbles down an embankment.
Again, what is paramount is to maintain a child’s sense of dignity and self respect. Right now, much of the disciplining , if not all of it, is either a talk and/or to condemn our little one to the room (there is no television in the room).
An old man once interjected himself into a conversation between my wife, myself, and friends when we were talking about spanking. All of us expressed uncertainty about doing it. The old man butted in and said “Do it now so you do not regret not having done it.”
I see it as something to be done a few times in those early years but not to the point of inflicting pain but to make it into a consequence that indicated disapproval and shame. A slight wack on the hiney was just enough to impose a measure of shame for which an apology and change in behavior made everything okay.
Again, I am a huge proponent of maintaining dignity. Punish the child at home or in private but in public make sure the child sees the necessity of public displays of confidence, and sometimes in arrogance in spite of what may have happened in the restroom at Wal-Mart.
Rhonda…You are not alone! I am living that at work right now…with black women!
I get what Redshift is saying, but he misses that those kids are merely looking for boundaries and his frustration obfuscates the nuance that Al brings. My mom taught and said that she had to get tough and blacken up her voice to get the black kids to listen. It is the lack of fathers and overstressed mothers. When the teacher gets desperate and has to paddle, the battle is lost. Redshift is drifting very close to Simon LaGree territory regarding what ni99ers will respond to.
In my school, black kids would get slung outside the door and paddled for the same infractions that whites got off for. My mom got into the job b/c she was tired of seeing black boys outside the classroom when Miss Anne “couldn’t take it”.
My white kindergarten teacher was in tears b/c she didn’t know what to do with me. What CAN you do with a 5 year old who started reading at 3 and who read on at least a 5th grade level? (Rhonda~I know that was you too)
Rhonda that is TERRIBLE! If anyone did those things to my children they’d rue the day the crossed them. Those people were animals and churls to you.
I’ve had my own horror stories too. Unfortunately, I didn’t fully materialize into a threat until way too late because the bullying in school got the best of me. Now I know why the administrators did nothing. *SMDH*
LaJane Galt said:
I get what Redshift is saying, but he misses that those kids are merely looking for boundaries and his frustration obfuscates the nuance that Al brings.
Precisely where did the conclusion come from that I was missing that those kids are looking for boundaries, that I was frustrated and that I was obfuscating anything?
Redshift is drifting very close to Simon LaGree territory regarding what ni99ers will respond to.
A rather ridiculous statement don’t you think? Achieving discipline and establishing consequences for a lack of discipline that work is quite far from brutally enforcing an unjust burden. It should be noted that nowhere in this discussion have I defended schools paddling kids. I addressed a notion that parents who spank are practicing bad parenting and are showing weakness; a generalization that I consider absurd.
In my school, black kids would get slung outside the door and paddled for the same infractions that whites got off for. My mom got into the job b/c she was tired of seeing black boys outside the classroom when Miss Anne “couldn’t take it”.
The interesting thing is that we fight like the devil so that we are in schools where most of the teachers are like “Miss Anne” with most of the students there looking like to her. But when “Miss Anne” in unable to control them the way that she can control the students that look like her, we get mad. When she tries to adjust and uses means that are different from those she uses on the kids who look like her, we get mad. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I have never defended any type of unfair treatment of students and would never do so, but when we live by the standard of only doing things the way that white folks do or say do, we are destined to always be behind them. If we are going to fight to have our kids in white schools, then we must hold our kids to the same standards they hold their kids. Otherwise, we need to stay in our schools and adjust those schools according to what is best for our kids. We seem reluctant to do either and are more interested in whining about how our kids are failing.
What folks don’t understand is that when our kids go into and environment and behave a certain way, they are going to develop stereotypes. Such stereotypes will naturally result in folks jumping the gun with our kids. It is right to fight against such “jumping the gun” but we should coincide this with acknowledging that our kids bring excess discipline problems to school with them and honestly trying to address this without the age old “blame the white man” mantra.
Well said red
I don’t want anyone spanking my kid at school or anywhere for that matter. Of course, I have taken my daughter in a public bathroom before and “got those buns”, as I call it. She’s been told since the first time she went to public school, you respect your teacher, she /he is the boss when you are at school. If there are any problems, you address that to me when you get home. In my city, teachers are not allow to touch kids for any reason.
Personally, in the workplace I have been punished for being to “assertive”, whereas, my white girlfriend would get a raise on her pay!
You know we are supposed to be seen and not heard! Just show up and shut up!
I was a playground monitor at a local elem. school while in college, and I noticed that the black kids (boys) were the worst behaved. I wanted to beat them down, but I couldn’t. The white kids were not nearly as bad.
The problem was clear to me. The white kids had Mom and Dad, the black kids had only Mom.
Kids need their Dad, a real man who is active in their lives. Something about that baritone make kids straighten up. You can point to exceptions to the rule, but they are only exceptions. These black kids need Dads (as opposed to biological fathers).
I don’t know the family situation of these black girls getting spanked, but I suspect that they come from broken homes. If the parent(s) do not check homework, go to parent-teacher conferences, PTA meetings, etc., the school has to decide how to deal with the kids. Most teachers just give up on them. A teacher can only be as good as the parents.
We don’t know enough about the circumstances to judge this situation.
Spanking, hitting, beating children is wrong. Period. Children’s (including babies and toddlers) bodies were not meant to be pounced upon by [much stronger] adults, regardless of that adult’s relationship to the
child. Really, what does a child learn by being treated this way? Nothing but fear. And the perpetuation of this way of “parenting” by adults who romantacise the beatings that they received as a child needs to stop.
There comes a point when a person, a society, needs to look closely at, and question, many of our long-held beliefs. Whatever the belief: Hold it up to an objective light and ponder whether it is necessary to continue to organise your actions around that belief.
Your beliefs lead to your thoughts, your thoughts lead to the actions that you take. The actions that you take are a testament to the person you are. How do you want to be remembered? As a person who beat [your] children? When you are on your deathbed, and you are playing the movie of your life through your mind, when you get to that part where you treated a child cruelly–whether your own or another’s–will that make you proud?
Specifically, for black people living in America, the lives of our children are, will be as adults, hard enough. A black child is much better served and prepared for facing the world if she/he is loaded down with lots of love and caring and respect and compassion. Yes, children deserve respect, too! Let us rethink this hitting of our children as a way to “teach him/her a lesson.” We really need to rid ourselves of these last vestiges of the mentality imposed on us from slavery.
The following I copied from the author Alice Miller’s website:
http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php
Child Mistreatment, Child Abuse: What is it?
Humiliations, spankings and beatings, slaps in the face, betrayal, sexual exploitation, derision, neglect, etc. are all forms of mistreatment, because they injure the integrity and dignity of a child, even if their consequences are not visible right away. However, as adults, most abused children will suffer, and let others suffer, from these injuries. This dynamic of violence can deform some victims into hangmen who take revenge even on whole nations and become willing executors to dictators as unutterably appalling as Hitler and other cruel leaders. Beaten children very early on assimilate the violence they endured, which they may glorify and apply later as parents, in believing that they deserved the punishment and were beaten out of love. They don’t know that the only reason for the punishments they have ( or in retrospect, had) to endure is the fact that their parents themselves endured and learned violence without being able to question it. Later, the adults, once abused children, beat their own children and often feel grateful to their parents who mistreated them when they were small and defenseless.
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Thank you to this website’s owner for allowing me to post my long comment.
On my deathbed I am going to CONTINUE to laugh at the a$$ whoopings I got as a child and my kids will NOT be there hating my guts because I spanked them. Just like when my mother goes, I’m not thinking about those azz whoopins I DESERVED. I’ll be thinking about how much I LOVED her and will miss her. Only someone petty would go back through all of those things. And I am SURE when you’re dying, you’re only thinking and praying that after you are gone, that your family will be happy and blessed. How selfish would you have to be to be dying and only worry about yourself when you leave loved ones behind anyway?
I will not be assuaged by the anti-spanking group. I say mind your own business. I raise my children my way, and you raise yours (if you have them) your way. I just pulled my five year old over and he’s always honest with me. I asked him how he feels after he’s spanked for doing something bad. If he would’ve told me anything else, I would cease and desist IMMEDIATELY. He says and I quote, “I feel bad.” I ask, “Why?” He says, “I feel bad because I didn’t do what you told me to do.”
Isn’t that it? If they feel good for disobeying you, then there are NO repercussions.
@ Seattle Slim:
1. This website is a public forum. So long as the website owner allows me to post my comment(s) on the subject at hand, I say that this is my business and I am minding it. I have my opinions about this subject matter, which is near and dear to my heart. And you have yours. Our opinions, obviously, differ greatly.
2. As far as your assertion that I mind my business, well, when it comes to your life, that is what I am doing. I do not know you, have never met you, and have absolutely no relationship with you. That reality being what it is, by circumstances, I am minding my business. More power to you with how you are raising your children.
The difference between spanking and beating is the same difference between rape and consensual sex. It is the motivation of the act. Corporal punishment when applied sparingly is not child abuse. This is my opinion, and like knee caps everyone has a couple.
I think that spanking with the belt or paddle should be done but not that often. I now have a mental disability and it is because of the way my parents spanked me when I was younger and when they spanked me.
1. When I was younger and my parents and I we in the mall on day I wanted something and my mum had told me no and my dad told me no and not to ask again or there would be be trouble and I wined and wined for it 2 more times and my dad took me by the arm and said you are now coming with me and you are going to get it good and hard. He took me to a bench in the mall and I fought and fought not to go with him but he pulled me and we got the to the bench and my dad took off his belt and he started to pull down my pants and again I fought and lost and soon my bare bottom was over my father’s knee and even before the the first time time the belt hit me I started to cry and say no dad no dad and then the belt started to hit me and he hit me for 10 minutes straight after he stopped he said to me now if your behavior does not stop you will get alot worse when we get home and he was right because there was one time I got the belt while I was out and my father got me home and marched me up the stairs and took the paddle off the wall and I got the paddle about half hour just after I got the belt in the mall.
What I ment is I got the belt a half hour before I got the paddle
I remember getting many belt spankings. mom or dad would say drop your pants and my dad would bend me over his knee and take the belt to my bare butt. big mistake when I said it doesnot hurt he did it harder and longer, same with Mom I don”t hate my folks and I am 47 yrs old and if I ever screwed up real bad like tell my folks to go to hell or worse, I will never be old or too big to get the belt. One time I was 16 and I talked back to my Dad and he said drop them and I said no what you gonna do I said I am 16 and I dropped my pants he bent me over his knee and totally got my butt spanked with the belt the hardest and longest he has ever before. I never talked back again
At my high school, it is up to the student whether you take a paddling or Saturday detention for things like tardies and skipping. Almost all girls, white or black, choose a paddling. The teachers that paddle the hardest are often AA. I got it from an AA coach and my butt hurt for a week.
But it’s also black parents who punish their kids more harshly than whites. All of my neigbors spank their kids. But the black ones are more likely to use things like whips, extension cords, and wire coat hangers. Things that can injure. They also more likely to make the kids strip naked, and whip them on places like their face, chest or genitals. This one black lady whips her little girls on the bare vagina. No wonder it takes more to discipline them in school.