Do You Know Where Your Daughter Is?: Parenting Tips From The Childless

Well on yesterday, the NAACP National Office’s Director of Communications, Richard McIntire, decided to get a jump start on April Fool’s Day and put out a statement related to Dunbar Village where the organization declared that the sky was purple. I waited all day for a retraction from Richard entitled “Sike! April Fool’s”, but alas I think the man was serious.

So while we let the NAACP’s statement percolate throughout the Black blogosphere for 24 hours or so, I thought we would take a break to clean out the old inbox on a backlog of stories. First up is another edition of Parenting Tips From The Childless (PTFTC)- Because who knows better how to raise your children than folks without any! Today’s edition is called DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR DAUGHTERS ARE???

Fathers of Black America, do you know where your daughters are? Well if your daughter is 3 and a half years old right now and she is not in your presence, she might be getting her head dunked in a toilet bowl while one of her Mama’s “friends/relatives” repeatedly slams the toilet seat down on her head as she screams in terror. Oh yeah and while your 3 year old daughter is being half drowned and beaten, one of her tormentors is filming on their cell phone camera. Oh and they aren’t finished they also think its funny to lift your three year old daughter by her underwear (painful to watch) and sling her around. Oh yeah and MAMA??? Mama was UPSTAIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! While all of this was going on.

“My daughter should not be taken away from her mom…not at all. a female child should always have a female in their life which is her mom.”
But where was Wilker while this was going on? She says she was upstairs cleaning, heard the screams and laughing, and yelled for the adults to leave her child alone.
“I didn’t know nothing about no video at that point at all.”WTOL

UM “NO” some mothers aren’t fit to be so . Like a mama who sees her child being abused on tape and won’t cooperate with police or demand that the perps be prosecutors to the fullest extent of the law. Let’s hope that the father has twice the sense Mama has. Black fathers here are some links so you can try to reclaim your child if your Baby Mama is as attentive as this one. Fathers Rights. Org, The Mens Center, and y’all even have your very own “Fathers Rights” wiki. Get on it!

PTFTC: Here is my parenting tip from the childless, how about peeking your head downstairs when your child is screaming in terror.. I know there is no manual for parenting, but really, it ain’t rocket science.(On an unrelated note, why do the Mama and the Daddy BOTH have the same head scarf on? I mean I like my head wrap just like anybody else, but you knew you were going to be on TV– Is that a Cleveland thing or something?)

Is Your 12 Year Old Dancing on a Pole? No way? You sure about that?
Mothers and fathers of Black America, do you know where your daughters are? Well if your daughter is a 12 or 13 year old Black girl in Dallas, Texas, she might be naked right now dancing on the stage of a strip club or turning tricks in the champagne room in the back. Sorry, again, this is not an April Fool’s joke- 12 an 13 years old on the stage in Dallas, TX.

Oh yes my friends 12 and 13. Now in one case, involving the 12 year old, she was taken in by a 27 year old BLACK WOMAN when the girl ran away from home. Of course the 27 year old was a stripperhooker and took the girl down to the club to fill out and application and when the girl couldn’t figure out what year she needed to have been born in to get the “job” the strip club manager was more than happy to help her with the math. KHOU

PTFTC: So Black parents you may want to have the “if you ever run away from home and get taken in by a stripper chances are she is working for a PIMP and PIMPs are BAD” conversation with your daughters.

Most of you will write off the case of the 12 year old because she was a “run-away” and your preciousness would NEVER run away from home so lets talk about the 13 year old to creep all of the “good ” parents out. The 13 year-old was not a run away… she went to a sleep over at another 13 year old’s house and somehow found herself at the strip club. Now we all know the 13 year olds didn’t drive themselves to the strip club and the police say that the 13 year old LOOKED 13. Int he case of the 12 year old mentioned above, her brain deficient Mama told the newspaper her daughter looked 20—geez mom, you’re the BEST!

The family of a 13-year-old girl still can’t understand how a sleepover at a schoolmate’s house went so wrong. [um probably because you had no clue about the company your daughter was keeping]

“I just can’t believe it,” said the teen’s grandmother, who requested that her name not be used. “She’s acting like she doesn’t know why she did it or why she went.”
The suspect, also 13, is accused of compelling prostitution, a second-degree felony that involves causing “by any means a person younger than 17 years to commit prostitution.”

When undercover officers entered Metropolis early Saturday, the 13-year-old suspect’s friend approached an officer and made a deal to perform a sex act for money, police say. Both girls were then taken into custody.
“It wasn’t hard to spot her as a 13-year-old kid,” Sgt. Fassett said. “You just take one look at her.”
Vice unit officers were at the club to investigate reports that alcohol was being served after hours. DALLAS MORNING NEWS

I’ve got $5 that says that the parents or grandparents of the 13 year old who was a “good student” didn’t know a lick about the family or activities or the home where they let their daughter go for a sleep over.

Her grandmother said she is a good student and hasn’t been in trouble before.
“She’s not even that kind of person,”

Hmm notice how only the grandmother is speaking, where are the PARENTS???

Now city officials in Dallas are saying they can’t shut the clubs down. I say who needs the city, why isn’t every black pastor in Dallas,TX planning a curbside prayer meeting at these two clubs? You got to be a bold pervert to walk past a group of praying saints to stroll up in a club that is notorious for having 12 and 13 year olds dancing on the stage. What are y’all doing in the big D? Shut em down, you don’t have to wait on the city. Go convert some souls outside Metropolis and Diamonds because clearly some need saved and there needs to be some laying of the hands up on some folks who don’t blink at putting 12 year olds into the sex trade.

So let this be a lesson to the parental units of America, even if you have taught your daughter well. I doubt you’ve had the “Stripping is really NOT a Good Thing” conversation.

PTFTC: The next time you catch your children listening, watching, or reading about pimps, strippers, and opulence, take a few minutes out to have THE TALK. Tell them about the underbelly of stripper culture. Show them a few news clippings of what pimps really do. Let them watch a documentary or two about the child sex trade. Because if they’re learning about the “glamorous” life of moving your body like a cyclone, they might as well see the gory —make your sons watch too.

For those who say not necessary because you have “good” kids and you watch them like a hawk and you alone can compete with the culture I ask, do they have a radio, television, computer? Yes? Ask them who Bishop Don Majic Juan ( I am mad he has an flash website with an online marketplace and a shopping cart) is. Ask them if they know the chorus to “I‘m in love with a Stripper” If they know…its too late.

This concludes our latest PTFTC. Please my parental readers. Your thoughts are always appreciated in response to these and other… PARENTING TIPS FROM THE CHILDLESS…. Until next time …unfortunately.

40 comments ↓

#1 SHRIPAD on 04.01.08 at 3:52 am

hi,

i personally think that good parenting skills comes form within we don’t need any training for it.here on goodparenting.co.in i found some interesting stuff about parenting.

#2 La ~ msviswan on 04.01.08 at 6:30 am

“Black fathers here are some links so you can try to reclaim your child if your Baby Mama is as attentive as this one. Fathers Rights. Org, The Mens Center, and y’all even have your very own “Fathers Rights” wiki. Get on it!

Gina, those men choose those women to be the mother of their children. I frankly think all those type parents are damaged alike and deserve each other. Who deserve “rights” and pity are the children they both bring into this world with disregard. I always promote for women to keep their legs close. If you’re an unfit mother, then you lose your “right” to be that child’s mother.

However, the only “rights” those men should have is the rights and links to know how to use a d*mn condom. They need to “get on it” with an higher education, think family oriented, and start being productive viable men in this society. Most of these same fathers are the ones who choose to neglect their paternal “rights” to help parent their children, and give you all kinds of lip service, and blame others. They too put their children in dangerous situations, no different from the mother. Then when sh*t go down, they jump out faster than the action network to claim fame. Some of these same fathers are the very men who go around with other “baby mama’s” and cause the same freaking havoc in another household.

Both parents make me sick. I wish some of them would just stop being so irresponsible and having children already.

#3 LeAnne@Hairs My Story Team on 04.01.08 at 6:35 am

SMH.

Black women need to be sterilized sometimes. And the father seemed more appalled than the mother. You can just tell she doesn’t give a damn and is only using the kid as a pawn because she’s still speaking her, “he was never a daddy before” schpeil.

If you think she’s bad, you’ll lose your mind when you find out what happened it Lil’ Wheezy in an interview he did. Sickening.

#4 LeAnne@Hairs My Story Team on 04.01.08 at 6:38 am

La~msviswan. I agree to a point. But, some of these black mothers are despicable.

#5 Hagar's Daughter on 04.01.08 at 6:58 am

As a child protective services investigating social worker for the past 13 1/2 years stories like these are not surprising nor shocking to me. I deal with this madness each and every week.

While I’m not surprised or shocked, I still get angry – no PISSED TO THE HIGHEST PISSIVITY! – at the attitudes of parents. Mother thinks it’s no big deal because it was her “friend” and a relative. It speaks volumes of mother’s self-esteem to choose a friend like that or to not be so incensed at this family member to not demand prosecution. Mother herself needs to be charged with child endangerment for ignoring the cries of her child.

While father stepped up to do the right thing-I assume he gave this info to the authorities, I question where has he been prior to this? How is he parenting and is he actively involved? Or is he like the countless fathers who report that their children have no food, to which I asked them have they gone shopping to provide what their children need.

I can go on, but I won’t. What I will leave you with is this: In Los Angeles County, the largest child protection agency of its kind in the world, the majority of children with active services and/or in foster care are black children and brown children. Many of the social workers “prayer” is, “Lord we are losing the battle, but please don’t let us lose the war.”

Pray for the children and their parents who should be their primary protectors in a world gone mad.

#6 LeAnne@Hairs My Story Team on 04.01.08 at 7:02 am

I featured this link on my blog

hairsmystory.com

#7 LittleEva on 04.01.08 at 7:03 am

If I had kids, I’d show them the HBO documentary, “Pimps Up, Ho’s Down.” They can see the “glamorous” lives of hookers who work on Hunts Point in the Bronx.

A lot of people are having children that can’t even take care of goldfish.

There’s a saying in rehab, first you take care of a plant, then a pet, then you can have a relationship.

#8 wisdomteachesme on 04.01.08 at 7:16 am

you can’t raise children without Gods help and direction.
if the parents are not with God then the kids will not be-unless some other adult helps them know God.

#9 Shane on 04.01.08 at 7:47 am

I dunno. I think our society places to much emphasis on one’s ability to create life than one’s ability to rear it.

This is precisely the reason why abortion should stay legal and be more widely used by people who know damn well they aren’t qualified to be a parent.

And that father… What a piece of work!!! How is it that trifling people are always so damn fertile?

La~Ms. I can agree with what you’re saying to a point, but like-minded individuals breed with each other. If the father hadn’t been a neglectful bastard in the past or present, it would have been only a matter of time before he would have shown his ass.

I find it VERY hard to believe that a caring, strong, black man full of integirty and character would choose his polar opposite to thoughtfully breed children with. He was probably just as horrible as the stupid mother.

#10 Ananda on 04.01.08 at 9:58 am

once again sistalove tyou for the news and for the work everyone is doing on dunbar village. i am looking forward to this week’s show with the florida naacp leader. be well. be kind to yourselves. remember to breathe and take care of yourselves as you do this awesome work. sending you all love, light, and peace, ananda

#11 g-e-m2001 on 04.01.08 at 10:09 am

I wonder how many of you commenting in this thread today are actually parents.

I do the parenting tips from the childless posts because to those of us who are childless things appear to be so Black and white, but usually by this time during the day, at least one parent would have chimed in to say “it is more complicated than that.” No such thing today.

Msviswan, yes those men shoose to be with those women, however, often times when we have these posts about horrible mothers, there is usually one comment from somebody claiming that the courts or some other nebulous entity kept them from their baby.

remember the ebony dorsey case where the dad was a weekend father and we criticized him for not taking his daughter from a mother that was a notorious crackhead and living with a man, even the father recognized was dangerous yet all he did was admonish his teenaged daughter to stay away from the crack dealing rapist who allegedly killed her?

So I just wanted to put it out there that at least the least crappy parent ought to make an effort is the other parent if the child is clearly worse off with the custodial parent.

I just did that to eliminate the usual lamenting.

#12 wisdomteachesme on 04.01.08 at 10:54 am

yes, i am a parent-my partner and i have 2 girls ages 9 and 10. we also help out a very good sisterfriend with her child-our godchild-age 6.

parenting is a Heart Job!

#13 Woman in Transition on 04.01.08 at 11:18 am

Gina, I guarantee you that there are many parents lurking in the backgrounds of WAOD, but for one reason or another don’t comment.

I am the mother of a toddler and I have to agree with most of you childless but wise folk commenting here. But, really, there are MANY — and I mean MANY — moms and dads of color who are doing a hell of a job raising their kids (and perhaps even pitching in with their kids’ friends). It’s very easy these days because of information overload through the internet and TV to become focused on horror stories such as these. But those of us like Shane, Hagar’s Daughter and myself who work in this type of mire 40+ hours a week have to find some hope in it all. We go in remembering that for every stupid azz female who doesn’t protect her kid(s), there are 10 more out there who will and will die trying. We can only pray that we will fill in the gap for that kid in front of us to keep him or her from suffering the same fate as his/her parent.

“Lord, we are losing the battle, but don’t let us lose the war” indeed.

#14 roslynholcomb on 04.01.08 at 11:48 am

I remember working in CPS back in the day. I had two 15 yo that I had to drag kicking and screaming out of a strip club. It was a fairly easy matter to get their liquor license taken away, and that, of course, shut them down. I must say, however, that even I’m surprised that they’re taking them as young as twelve. Just when I think I can’t be shocked anymore…

#15 Miriam on 04.01.08 at 12:47 pm

As a mother, I admit it IS a difficult job trying to get the house together with a three year old around.

I certainly don’t know how I’d do it if it wasn’t for my sister coming around ever so often. Is about the only one I trust w/the kids.

However, I still think some kind of motherly instinct should have come up over that lady when she heard her child’s cry /scream. Especially if its a TEENAGER watching the toddler.

good parenting skills can come from within, true. But a little help here and there goes a long way ,I think.

As for the father. Hmmm, was his motive to gain custody? To make news? To get back at the teen, who just not listening to him? The mother? I am still wondering about him.

#16 Miriam on 04.01.08 at 12:50 pm

Also, this may not be the American thing (I don’t knw) but by the age of three that little girl can be engaged in helping the mom clean the house with little things here and there.

(separating color and white laundry, folding -as best they can- towels, putting toys away, even sweeping!)

That’s about the only way I keep my kids in order while straightening up the house if my sister isn’t there.

#17 g-e-m2001 on 04.01.08 at 3:56 pm

It will get worse Rozlyn.

I feel like NOAH you know the flood is coming. You can see the water rising and everybody is just chilling. 12 years old. SMH how low can we go? 11? 10? 9?

#18 g-e-m2001 on 04.01.08 at 3:59 pm

wisdom,

Do we need a “My Children Are Not Dysfunctional” Award?

Or “I know some good Black Parents!” Awards?

No seriously, we do tend to spotlight the ridiculous and utter stupidity to the exclusion of all else. Who want’s to organize, a “My Children Are not Dysfunctional” Award.

#19 wisdomteachesme on 04.01.08 at 4:49 pm

hey gina,
lol, an award…that is something to think about.

i think the best reward/award is when our children act right out in public but know if they must cut up–to do it at home!
we get rewarded everytime the jr. girls scouts troop meets and the leaders come up to one of us or both and say, my goodness, your girls are always so well mannered and well behaved! it is a joy to have them in this troop. they have been in this troop for 3 years now.

mind you, our girls are 2 black children in a group of 20 other girls that are white-and the leaders are white and they have children also. there are 2 other black girls in the troop-but from my own observations…they are going to be more than a handful when they get older. the white girls are going to be a hot mess! and i do pray for them all- but esp. for one of the other black girls-i can see that she has issues i feel the parents are ignoring….

when this happens-this is our reward. when one child comes home telling a ’school day story’ how the other girls acted one way- and she made a decision not to act with the group/crowd…that is our reward.

and one of our daughters is “special needs”. and may i add, that i feel all people are special needs in one way or another…but my daughter has a ‘born-with’ chromosone thing…and is doing very well in all aspects of her life. though she has trouble with some things, she is doing very good-God is good!

#20 mrshadow33 on 04.01.08 at 4:55 pm

My god I am truly speechless! Ms. Gina you have once again made sure that we stay on the alert and make sure that we protect are children, whether they are our or not. What happened to that poor three year old is beyond sickening and we need to do everything in our power to prevent these atrocities from happening. Like you said we have to show both sides of issues like stripping. Finally this mother who didn’t hear her child being tortured gives credence to my belief that there are people out there who don’t deserve to be parents.

#21 Siditty on 04.01.08 at 5:28 pm

::sigh::

My town represents each and every time. I swear every three or four months there is a story like this coming from Dallas.

#22 Coburn on 04.01.08 at 5:32 pm

Okay folks I’m the father of three girls ages 16, 11 and 9 and I’m not yet completely sold on convicting these parents. Unfortunately, the child is clearly victimized, what evidence do we have to support that these are truly unfit parents?

Yes, the child was left in the care of at least one irresponsible teenager but do we know if the mother of the child had any reason that her cousin was such a monster? There was no indication that she should not have trusted her child in this family member’s care while she was home.

I can believe that the mother was relieved that she had an age appropriate person around to occupy the child long enough to allow her to get some house work done. When my kids were younger there were many times when, if given the opportunity of a visit from a trusted friend or family member to child sit & play, I would have ducked out of the room to fold laundry or clean a bathroom.

And not to sound gender ignorant .. but wasn’t this a female cousin abusing this child, “for me” – a louder alarm would have sounded if it were a male; but that’s another issue. I may be naive, but to think that a parent would introduce a known threat around their child is proposturous to me.

Also, people just because the parents aren’t as refined or educated as some of us may like them to be, when does that disqualify them as suitable parents?

Someone mentioned that the mother didn’t seem as upset as the father — how is she suppose to appear? Is there only one exceptable reaction she can have to ensure us that she “gets it”?

I do understand why this upsets so many of us but let’s put the blame where it belongs. The mother should have been more attentive depending on how long the actual incident took place. Again as a parent I have learned to ignore some of my kids playful, whining laughig, at times it can be misleading. The two in the bathroom with the child and camera phone are a high percentage to blame. The father wasn’t there so how can you fault him for anything?

Just my parenting $0.02.

#23 fayebien on 04.01.08 at 5:41 pm

As a childless woman, I watched these videos with tears in my eyes. It seems like I just witness the creation of another mentally and physically abused child/children. I saw the comment by a another blogger. “How is it that trifling people are always so damn fertile?” I am still trying to figure out how this happens? Have any studies been done? Seriously…Anybody know?

#24 EVERYTHING WRONG WITH BLACK AMERICA AS I SEE IT on 04.01.08 at 5:42 pm

Excellent! I took note of the recent news stories about children being killed, raped, or hurt by their mom’s boyfriend. Single parenting is difficult, but you shouldn’t get with any man and expect him to play daddy. The guys are often thugs to begin with. I makes me want to cry each time I hear these stories.

Parenting. Is it a lost skill? I’m not to far out of my “rule abiding” days. I’m 22 and I know any one of my elders would slap me if I “got cute”. For all the parents afraid to be too harsh on their kids, don’t worry about it. We actually grow up and thank you for it. Don’t assume we’re innocent either. We know how to get around you. So get up “in our business” and talk to us. It maybe awkward and we may say we hate you to your face, but we grow up and appreciate you because you cared.

I don’t know what is going on with these families but they need to do something quick. Otherwise we will continue to produce a generation of youth who are reckless, dangerous, and lacking in the the tools needed to become productive intelligent adults.

#25 wisdomteachesme on 04.01.08 at 6:11 pm

coburn said= “but to think that a parent would introduce a known threat around their child is proposturous to me.”
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you are a rare father figure and by that i mean, someone made good father and mother figures obsolete some point in time a while back.
i for one feel that many of your points are very valid- but i have to tell you the truth–Many parents knowingly put their children in harms way everyday.
i have seen and heard with my own eyes and ears. as i am sure other readers on here would be able to speak on their own witnessing of parents Knowingly putting their children in a violent situation. Yes, they know it and still do it.
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“Also, people just because the parents aren’t as refined or educated as some of us may like them to be, when does that disqualify them as suitable parents?”
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for me it is not an issue of being a ‘refined’ or a ‘book educated’ parent….many of those that fit into those catagories are not good parents either–Seen this also.

The way i see this is, it’s about selfishness and selflessness-sacrifices.

knowing that when you help to make a child and bring this child into this world–you are signing a contract with God saying i am going to take care of this child with my life!

whether you know it or not–this birthing and raising of children is an agreement with Him.
At this point–your life is not your own anymore…it belongs to the daily responsibilities of raising of your children or child. whether you helped create this child or you became a parent through other circumstances.
You are now the one with the ball….you can either throw it down and say, ‘i’m tired of playing this ,,i want to do something different.i’m tired of raising children–what about me?’
or like many of us, that option is not a reality and never would be in a list for us.

For some people who choose to give their child to loving adults that are more mature mentally, physically, emotionally, and finacially (either you are working or can and will work) to take care of the child–it is best for all.

but for parents that throw the ball down and don’t want to play…and they go back to what they were doing before becoming parents. thats selfish- it’s all about them. and with many children, this is the beginning of the later problems. here is when love starts to be withheld from the children.

these are the people i am talking about–so it does not matter if you have a book education or some layers of refining…because a book education does not always refine the individual.

It’s about can you sacrifice your life for as long as you are called to raise these children you helped bring into the world.
it’s about sacrifice to do what a parent is suppose to do-take care of their children. in every area of raising-if a woman doesn’t know how to raise a child into an adult, because no one raised her correctly–then she will probably not do too good of a job yourself.

this is the midst of the cycle that started many years ago. and is still here, getting larger and larger.

there are many questions that we may never know concerning this situation-but it is still the same negative cycle that we are speaking about.
seeking a path, the light, solutions that will benefit everyone involved.

#26 wisdomteachesme on 04.01.08 at 6:18 pm

Well Put everythingwronginbla…
well put.
and that is just how we are raising our daughters–all up in their business! lolol
teaching high school will open your eyes to what lives under the “good grades” and the ‘good kid’ titles. yes the kids are good but there are many layers to all of us.

thank you for saying what needed to be said…

#27 Attorneymom on 04.01.08 at 7:55 pm

Since I do not want to revert to using any profanity, I must take a moment to regain my composure.

Sidebar: Were they saving the video to upload to hotghettomess, youtube or myspace??? WT_?

#28 BLKSeaGoat on 04.01.08 at 8:34 pm

Stupid father, stupid mother, stupid lesbian girlfriend = child scarred for life.

#29 I am not Star Jones on 04.02.08 at 12:57 am

not every woman who gives birth to a child will have a motherly instinct.

not every man who fathers a child will feel the need to father that child.

i wish these people would be honest with themselves and make it their mission to put their kids up for adoption instead of subjecting them to their neglect and carelessness.

I know that’s hard for some people to swallow but not everyone can be a parent.

and yes, i have no children.
Because I know I’m not ready!

#30 msladydeborah on 04.02.08 at 6:09 am

I read this story when it was first posted, watched the video. Felt my temper go from instantly angry to white hot over the viewing of that little child being abused.

I tried to write a comment afterwards~but the woman that I am/mother/grandmother/ teacher/adult~was just too upset and heated over that scene.

It is not the first time that I have seen physical and emotional abuse in action. I have no tolerance for the act and I know first hand about the results. I have have worked with children in that age group during a major portion of my career.

The most outstanding moment in that clip~is when the mother is expressing her disbelief that she is being held mutually responsible for what happened. “I didn’t do anything wrong.”

That perception of her actions says a whole lot about what is not there for that child. The protection and concern that she deserves has not been generating in that environment.

The village is supposed to be all the folks who live there working it out. So even the ones without children have to speak up. Just like the elders with wise counsel have to speak up too.

There is good advice here.
We need to keep on working on circulating the education that goes into the making of wisdom.

My heart goes out to the child who was featured in that video.

God does not like ulgy! That phone was put there for him to see what was really going on. Cause that mysterous walk does lead to somewhere and for a reason.

#31 wisdomteachesme on 04.02.08 at 8:33 am

It takes a Righteous Village to raise a child!

we have seen what “A Village” will do.

i agree with ‘msladyD’, that the use of the cell phone camera was nothing but God revealing the truth about that home situation–to save those children!
A foolish heart has no use of godly wisdom…
*sigh*

#32 cinco on 04.02.08 at 9:11 am

Not everyone can or should be a parent!!!!!

It takes years of personal growth and a willingness to consistently sacrifice in so many ways.

There’s nothing wrong with adoption; prevention or abortion.

Parenting for the most part can be a thankless job. But many don’t get into it to be thanked and acknowledged.

#33 g-e-m2001 on 04.02.08 at 9:35 am

though I loath to mention it. Which means I should probably ignore the comments, let me chime in to say that for me “personally” there IS something wrong with abortion, but we ain’t gone walk down that road in this thread, but I have seen about three “nothing wrong with abortion” post up in here so i decided to throw that out there for those of us who don’t believe in abortion as some sort of birth control.

I ain’t going to call out the national guard to round up pregnant women on their way into the clinic, but I ain’t going to champion it as a family planning option either.

Back to talking about people who are bad parents…

#34 BLKSeaGoat on 04.02.08 at 12:28 pm

Gina,

I didn’t say abortion was right or wrong, just a viable solution and alternative to having MORONS as parents.

I’d rather deal with the afterglow of a mangled fetus than a 12 year old sociopath who will probably put a bullet in my head for not having cash in my wallett that I willingly surrendered while being robbed.

Personally, I wouldn’t force anyone to have an abortion, but if they asked me what they should do about having a child they don’t want exterminating it before birthing it provides a resolution to their problem.

Parenting classes aren’t very effective (as they are now) and no amount of training would get some of these shiftless and trifling people to act like they had some sense. What’s the result?

Dunbar Village, et. al.

#35 is that so? on 04.02.08 at 7:56 pm

wow, I’m in my mid-20s and didn’t even know about strip clubs when I was 13. I certainly wouldn’t have been comfortable being in one. When I read things like this I’m glad my parents were strict!

#36 JJ on 04.02.08 at 8:20 pm

though I loath to mention it. Which means I should probably ignore the comments, let me chime in to say that for me “personally” there IS something wrong with abortion, but we ain’t gone walk down that road in this thread, but I have seen about three “nothing wrong with abortion” post up in here so i decided to throw that out there for those of us who don’t believe in abortion as some sort of birth control.

Hmmm. Interesting. I’m pro abortion all the way. I’m with blksgoat: if all other birth control fails (or was never used) abortion is definitely the way to go.

I disagree that the 13 year olds parents probably didn’t know the company she kept. I could tell you some stories about “good” suburban kids, with great parents who were caught doing all sorts of “naughty” things when the parent were away.

Parenting is part of it but there are a lot of other influences on children these days that can override all of the good parenting in the world.

#37 wisdomteachesme on 04.03.08 at 5:59 am

jj said “Parenting is part of it but there are a lot of other influences on children these days that can override all of the good parenting in the world.”
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APPLause!
so true….i know of many kids that were influenced by friends and whoever…
teaching kids how to make good decisions is a must, they may not alwasy rely on that teaching as curiousity will always venture into the mind and a child may do something just to do it…

Impulsive = a childs way of thinking…

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Really Sad.
Parenting need to give more time and love to kids.
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