Where’s the Outrage over Kelly? Genarlow Wilson? ( Yeah, I went there)- UPDATE Where’s the Outrage Over the Florida Gang Rape???

Jasmyne Cannick hits another one out of the ballpark with her piece “Why No Outrage over Kelly?”


…Last time I checked, a dog was not human, but a 13-year-old girl was. And regardless as to whether or not she willingly engaged in the act, she was the minor and he was the adult. That’s really the bottom line. And since most of us saw that video over the Internet or bought it on the street somewhere, we can’t act like that wasn’t R. Kelly. Unless you support this type of behavior, you should be as shocked and appalled as I am at the silence from our organizations on it.

Well we can’t be hollering one minute that Black women are queens and are to be respected and protected and then turnaround and cast a blind eye towards R. Kelly, but want to be quick to jump to the defense of people like Michael Vick and Barry Bonds. Well, you can’t if you expect to be taken seriously. Jasmyne Cannick


Of course they are going to turn a blind eye because in the eyes of many people (US), a Black girl isn’t capable of being violated. Statutory rape apparently only applies to non Black girls. Because of course folks seem to conclude that if these Black girls weren’t so FAST, they would not have been violated by a grown man/ older boy in the first place.- Despite the fact that in most states a girl under a certain age does not have the legal capacity to consent have sex with older men and boys.


You can’t have “consensual sex” with an underage girl. She can’t give consent. A 15 year old girl can’t even consent to getting her ears pierced or getting a spray-on tan. Obama is a Harvard Law grad, I know they went over statutory rape in his criminal law course. Why is he trying to make out Genarlow Wilson to be Steve Urkle? Barak Obama got it wrong on this one.

roslynholcomb said…

You’re not alone on this Gina. I’ve argued the same point repeatedly. Does Wilson deserve ten years? Of course not, but he certainly deserved to spend some time in jail. I think its interesting that all of a sudden these young men act as though they don’t know what statutory rape is. They certainly understood it back in the 80s when I was a young girl. 15 will get you 20 was the mantra of the day. What’s the difference now? These young folk don’t believe the law applies to them anymore. And why should they when folk rally around them like they’re the second coming of Malcolm X.

Maybe somebody needs to prepare a PSA on that small little fact and while you are at it, somebody needs to pull folks aside and explain that in many states an intoxicated or drugged 17 year old can’t have “consensual sex” either!

That is why I stayed out of the whole Genarlow Wilson debate. Almost NOBODY complaining about the sentence said a word about his VICTIMS ( Yes I said VICTIMS (plural)), young Black girls except in passing. (Watch a Video of a Discussion of a Description of the Incident with 17 Year Old)Imagine if Genarlow Wilson and his buddies were replaced by 5 or 6 White Lacrosse players? Would we still be marching then?

Folks just recount the facts of what happened in that hotel as if it was a collateral issue… Because of course, it was the girl’s fault; the fact that they might have been intoxicated, one possibly gang raped, and turned into unwitting porn stars is just a small fact. I know I am going to catch hell for committing heresy and not following the party line on Genarlow Wilson, but that is the problem; when it comes to the sexual exploitation of young girls in the Black community, we turn a blind eye – the plight of the accused Black male defendant will always trump the plight of his alleged victims if they happen to be young Black girls. For those complaining about his continued incarceration, Mr. Wilson and his lawyers held the keys to his jail cell, but decided to roll the dice with a 10 year sentence instead of taking a deal which would have let him out for time served and a relatively clean record.

That is why people are still two stepping to R. Kelly. It just isn’t possible for a young African American girl to be a victim. Plus some folks think dog fighting is more serious than rape.

What I want to know is who marched for these young Black girls? How betrayed must the 17 year old feel? What about her? Oh I forgot, to some folks she’s just a young Black chick who should have known better. Was she going off to college? Did she play a sport? Was she on the Honor Roll? Did she have a bright future? How was her life changed by being video taped having sex acts performed on her by 5 to 6 boys? What about her future? Oh yeah, I forget…. She is just a young Black girl so her violation is a small matter to some folks.

The whole NAACP holding a press conference to defend a multimillionaire who has the financial resources to come to his own aid is laughable when you consider the cases of tons of indigent criminal defendants without Michael Vick’s financial resources who the NAACP can’t muster up the courage to send out a letter to help. Yeah, defending rich, spoiled athletes, that is a noble cause. Somewhere Thurgood Marshall is rolling over in his grave.

UPDATE (8/04): I haven’t talked about this on this blog because quite frankly it depressed me too much to even articulate the HORROR in writing. Thanks Tracey for laying it out there.

Tracey said…

Gina,

Where is the outrage about black woman and her son that were robbed and beaten in their own West Palm Beach home? Making matters worse – she was gang-raped and her son was forced at gun-point to participate. He is just 10. This crime was committed by at least 10 young black males. The police have only captured 3 of them – ages 14-18. When reporters went to this housing project – FEMALE residents were unmoved by the crime. I have not seen this incident reported on not one black blog or spoken about by one black activist.

Why the HELL isn’t the NAACP holding a press conference on behalf of this poor black woman instead of a RICH Black man who is more than capable of defending himself? Why aren’t folks marching on this housing project demanding the identities of the remaining seven rapists?

UPDATE: We are not alone. Someone else is talking about the Florida rape case. More details here and they ask where in the world is Rev. Al? Folks to we need to have another SHARPTON WATCH up in this piece? Has Jesse Jackson offered this victim a college scholarship?

UPDATE (8/5): Wonderful Editorial on the Dunbar Village rape in West Palm Beach, FL and why we ALL need to worry about what happened there. This may very well be one of the most horrifying crimes I have ever heard of. Not just because of what was done, but who did it. When it was over, not a single resident of the housing complex lifted a finger to help this woman and her (now blinded) son. THEY HAD TO STUMBLE TO THE HOSPITAL ON THEIR OWN! Raze this “community” to the ground and salt the earth so that NOTHING will grow there. We can’t allow pockets of hell like this to exist in this country.

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#1 mark on 08.03.07 at 5:43 pm

” How was her life changed by being video taped having sex acts performed on her by 5 to 6 boys? What about her future? Oh yeah, I forget…. She is just a young Black girl so her violation is a small matter to some folks.”

mark bey: I thought the young lady initiated the sex also I the young man was 17 and the young lady 15 I dont think thats rape especially when she initiated the sex.

#2 mark on 08.03.07 at 5:46 pm

Also I think the Naacp making a statement on the Michael Vick case is pure bafoonery on their part I know they have better things to do than that.

#3 Tracey on 08.03.07 at 6:42 pm

Gina,

Where is the outrage about black woman and her son that were robbed and beaten in their own West Palm Beach home? Making matters worse – she was gang-raped and her son was forced at gun-point to participate. He is just 10. This crime was committed by at least 10 young black males. The police have only captured 3 of them – ages 14-18. When reporters went to this housing project – FEMALE residents were unmoved by the crime. I have not seen this incident reported on not one black blog or spoken about by one black activist.

Where is the outrage about Karrine “Superhead” Steffans? She is publishing a second book of real-life sex tales and Essence magazine gave her a media platform to promote that trash. Remember Essence’s “take back the music campaign” bashing male rappers for turning women into sexual objects? Two years later – this woman gets a major interview to promote unprotected sex with rap stars for money? Ms. Steffens has been at this game since she was 15 or 16, just a couple years younger than the young women Genarlow Wilson victimized.

Where is the outrage of Remy Martin’s behavior? Shooting a life-long friend over $2,000 dollars? If black rappers and athletes feel so unsafe that they need to carry guns in public, maybe they should stay at home!

Where’s the outrage over Eddie Murphy – the world’s richest deadbeat dad and absentee father? If a black man with actual means acts like this, why should the average brother ever that responsibility for anything?

Black people are much too inconsistent in their outrage. It’s selective. Black outrage is still too closely connected to black loyalty. It’s disloyal to believe that R. Kelly, or G. Wilson may have committed criminal acts on their OWN people.

Further, you have to be paying attention to be outraged. You have to be informed to be outraged. You have to be willing to stand up and be heard to be outraged. You have to be willing to take the negative heat that comes with being publically outraged. She was not sucessful in your case, but how many people did “she who will not be named” scare off from speaking up with her negative personal attacks on you?

After talking with you during the live chat the evening of the showing of A Hot Ghetto Mess, it pained me deeply that you would be subjected to such disgusting tactics. After engaging in such an intellectual discussion, I was depressed at her ugliness. Yes, black folk should be outraged, but some of us prefer to just nasty instead.

Keep up the great work – it’s appreciated by many more than you know. Sorry for the long post, but I was feeling outraged. LOL!!!

#4 JJ on 08.03.07 at 8:16 pm

I’m going to disagree with you on the Wilson case. First his record would have hardly been relatively clean. The inital deal involved him registering as a sex offender AND having a felony on his record. He wouldn’t have even been able to live at home because his little sister was there.

The current deal is better but still leaves him with a felony on his record and MAYBE time served. He wouldn’t have to register as a sex offender though.

Yes there is a problem with the alcohol and sex and all of that. However he was found not guilty of the rape, regardless of what u think about the situation. And the other girl made it clear that she willingly gave oral sex to the boys. She’s 15 but the boys in questions were 17, peers. Not an adult/kid scenario like the Kelly case.

Now you may think he is guilty as sin. And I’m of the personal feeling that a LONG and Detailed conversation needs to be had with young men that the abscence of NO does not mean YES. That if someone is OBVIOUSLY inebriated and impaired having sex with them is morally wrong and should under NO CIRCUMSTANCES happen.

The problem is it may not be legally wrong. as evidenced by the jury decision.

Young women need to be clear that drinking with men (even friends) can lead to situations they don’t want to happen.

So yes there are problems with the Wilson case but he was found Not guilty like it or not. And that’s why there is so much heat about the case.

#5 The Angry Independent on 08.03.07 at 9:33 pm

I have not been agreeing with her on a lot of things lately…but I actually agreed with this particular point.

I also caught your post about the announcer saying that the Vick situation was worse than rape. What in the world is going on??????

That’s why I don’t keep up with sports much these days…and almost never watch the sports networks… the commentators are idiots.

#6 AttorneyMom on 08.04.07 at 6:54 am

“Don’t be a public success, but a private failure. First, be a superstar in your own home.”

Jesus tells us to watch for false teachers. He tells us that we will know them by their fruit. That is, we shall know them by their character – what they do in the dark.

We must call our leadership to integrity. Before a leader can point his finger at someone, please address the three fingers that are pointing back at him.

I find it hard to ignore the fact that many of our most vocal male leaders are either divorcees and/or fathered children out of wedlock while they were married. Some abused their wives or significant others. Some use drugs. Some are on the down low. Some have jumpoffs on the side. Some have children that they have not publicly acknowledged. Are they not contributing to the destruction of black families by disrespecting the mothers of life?????

What is the purpose of campaigning against lyrics, movies or videos that mirror or celebrate your lifestyle??? Aren’t you a hypocrite???? Doesn’t your wife count??? Doesn’t she have the right to be treated as a queen???? While you are teaching others, why not teach yourself????

To borrow from KRS One, “It’s not about a salary. It is all about reality.” We give these men a pass because they are “successful, rich and powerful.”

Righteousness exalts a nation.

To our black male leaders, please practice what you preach.

Sidebar: Before we clean up the lyrics, let’s clean up our lifestyle.

#7 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 7:19 am

I don’t care if the 17 year old girl signed a written permission slip to have sex with 15 men, what Wilson and his friends did to her was WRONG! Then they had the audacity to videotape it. And perhaps what was most SAD is that when they got through with her, they left her there as if she was TRASH! Like garbage. They didn’t even have the decency to give her a ride home. COuldn’t even dump her int he trunk of their cars and drop her off on her parent’s front lawn.

Maybe it is a gender thing, but I don’t care if a 15 year old initiates the sex, if the law says she can’t consent to having sex then she can consent. Instead of gutting the statutory rape laws in Georgia, which are very much needed, they ought to mandate a class called “Jail bait 101″ and force every high school junior and senior to attend and learn to stay the hell away from the freshmen.

I love me some Barak Obama, but describing sex with a 15 year old as “consensual” is just intellectually dishonest.

and to JJ, At the very least, Mr Wilson and his buddies are child pornographers, which I think pretty much would qualify them as sex offenders in most states, but I doubt the United States Attorney for Georgia is going to wade in a prosecute them for their crimes against these young black women

#8 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 7:24 am

Yeah, reading back the comments from the men on the board, there clearly is a disconnect on the issue of statutory rape or rape of an inebriated, intoxicated, or drug black girl.

I think y’all are wrong, but apparently it is a matter of gender-based perspective. Which is actually kind of scary actually to think about. Yikes!

#9 roslynholcomb on 08.04.07 at 8:17 am

You’re not alone on this Gina. I’ve argued the same point repeatedly. Does Wilson deserve ten years? Of course not, but he certainly deserved to spend some time in jail. I think its interesting that all of a sudden these young men act as though they don’t know what statutory rape is. They certainly understood it back in the 80s when I was a young girl. 15 will get you 20 was the mantra of the day. What’s the difference now? These young folk don’t believe the law applies to them anymore. And why should they when folk rally around them like they’re the second coming of Malcolm X.

A 15 year old cannot consent to sex, period. We have laws in this country to protect children for a reason. Just as a 15 year old cannot sign a contract or get a driver’s license. This young girl was exploited and taken advantage of. What I don’t understand is why they didn’t bring him up on kiddie porn charges as well. No, I’m not weeping over Genarlow Wilson.

#10 roslynholcomb on 08.04.07 at 8:19 am

As for R. Kelly, I’m sending a fax to Patrick FitzGerald, US attorney for Northern Illinois. There’s some suspicion that they’re going to let him walk. If they do I want to see him brought up on federal kiddie porn charges. At the very least the feds need to investigate why its taken the prosecutor there five years to get this case to trial.

#11 roslynholcomb on 08.04.07 at 8:21 am

If you want to do the same, here’s the pertinent information.

Patrick J. Fitzgerald (http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/aboutus/index.html)
United States Attorney
United States Attorney’s Office
Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division
219 S. Dearborn St., 5th Floor
Chicago, IL 60604
Phone: (312) 353-5300
Fax: (312) 353-2067

#12 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 8:28 am

Roslyn while youa re at it, fax the US Attorney in Georgia and demand that Federal protection against child porn be extended to Genarlow Wilson’s TWO victims.

Those girls are US citizens, if the State of Georgia and their local community won’t protect them, then the Federal government must.

When he walks out of a Georgia prison, he ought to walk into the waiting arms of Federal law enforcement. Or are we going to debate whether filming a 15 year old engaged in a sex act is a crime?

#13 AttorneyMom on 08.04.07 at 9:07 am

I just saw the story about the story on CNN.

These animals forced this woman to perform oral sex on her son.

WTH???? What is going on?????

#14 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 9:14 am

THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS BLOG! What the hell is going on is that Black girls are being slaughtered, literally and figuratively and NOBODY GIVES A DAYUM!’

Horrific crimes and the NAACP is wasting its time with Michael Vick. Horrific Crimes and Al sharpton is marching on behalf of a child pornographer. HOrric Crimes and we can’t get BARAK OBAMA to admit that statutory rape is actually a crime, even if the young VICTIM is a black girl.

We sit back and defend what is happening in hip hop by praising these young men for being entrepreneurial and creative, but say nothing about them sacrificing Black girls, OUR DAUGHTERS, in order to make that paper.

We sit back while the ACADEMY of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences hand out an OSCAR to a song glorifying a sex trafficker and exploiter of Black girls and women. “Its Hard Out Here for A Pimp?” NO, it’s hard out here for a Black girl.

Our generation screwed up, or actually, our parents generation screwed up in the name of Black unity and let this happen on their watch. IF this kind of barbarism is being aimed at Black women and girls in 2007, imagine 2017? Sisters go out and get your CHL today and take your daughters with you. It will be open season on Black girls. Every girl over the age of 18 will have a sex tape floating around by then

#15 AttorneyMom on 08.04.07 at 9:57 am

I totally agree. It is open season on our young Black girls. Heck, Ray Charles can see that.

If we do not protect our daughters by fighting anyone that co-signs on misogyny in any form albeit in their private, professional or public lives, then we will be accomplices in the destruction of our daughters. Sidebar: The devil is a liar.

As I posted earlier, many of our black male leaders are hypocrites. They practice the very same lifestyle that they are allegedly attempting to eradicate in the music, videos, television shows and movies. It is hard for one to condemn himself.

For the life of me, I could not understand how Mr. Matthew Knowles could pimp his daughter and encourage her to roll around on the floor like a dog in heat on stage. Normally, a father would tell his daughter, “Put some clothes on, girl, before you leave this house.” In fact, Mrs. Knowles is Beyonce’s stylist. WTF????

#16 mark on 08.04.07 at 1:07 pm

“THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS BLOG! What the hell is going on is that Black girls are being slaughtered, literally and figuratively and NOBODY GIVES A DAYUM!’”

This is not a fair statement especially when you factor in Eddie Griffin putting his foot in D Hughleys but.

Also young black boys are bieng slaughtered as well but I do understand why you would focus on black girls.

I just think your bieng oneside becuae their are plenty of people who make video of themselves having sex, grown folks and children old enough to be having sex.

Ill admit most of the video tapping is initiated by boys and I detest when brothas show videos/pictures of their sexual parters or even go around braging about how many women they have had sex with and who.

But the reality is this people take pictures and consent willingly children and adults thats a fact, also to call Genarlow Wilson a child pornagrapher is wrong because the girl not only CONSENTED BUT SHE ALSO INITIATED THE SEX AS WELL and I hardly call sex between a 17 year old boy and a 16 year old girl rape.

In fact their are many black people today married who were having sex when one person was 17 and the other was 15 that is also a fact.

No R Kelly I despise I think he is a clown and pervert and he should be put underneath of the jail.

If your larger point of this post is that black men are mistreated women then I would agree with you that that is the way too often. In fact I think until brothas step their game up and a black man raising and providing for his kids is what happens the over majority of the time I think the entire black community will suffer.

I am 100% against male chauvinism, sexism and disrepect of black women by black men I detest it.

It is more than obvious to me that black women deserve better from men, but please dont forget that a young black man without a father around to guide and teach him how to be a man is every bit as much a victim as the black women your blog rightefully defends.

At least most black women growing up have the example of their mother around to use as a direct role model this is not the case for black boys.

Lastly your battle to protect black women is righteous and sacred but I also think you are missing the point that young black men have been abused and neglected as well and because of that too often they grow up and do the same to black women.

Its not right, I detest I will never make excuses, try to jusitify or say the disrespect of black women by black women isnt that bad but black women dont live in a vacum and those black women have sons who are suffering just as bad as their daughters.

#17 mark on 08.04.07 at 1:10 pm

“We sit back and defend what is happening in hip hop by praising these young men for being entrepreneurial and creative, but say nothing about them sacrificing Black girls, OUR DAUGHTERS, in order to make that paper.”

mark bey: Their are lots of men including me who think that the messages contained in way too much hip hop are disrespectful to black women and we absolutely despise it.

Gina you seem to forget that black women are the mothers of black men not just black daughters. People with common sense are not justifying the retarded messages in too much of hip hop.

#18 mark on 08.04.07 at 2:26 pm

I forgot to add that black leaders are only doing what they are allowed to get away with.

Thats why so many of these black preachers are corrupt because the congregations (who are mainly female by the way) allow these clowns to go around dressing like pimps and having sex with females in the congregation. This non sense has been happening for a long time and I blame the entire black christian population for not demanding more and removing fools in the pulpit who obviously are corrupt.

Black people we get whatever we decide to tolerate just as we would have gotten HGM if Gina wouldnt have said Heck now.

#19 JJ on 08.04.07 at 2:50 pm

Sorry but if we’re going to criminalize teenage sex then we have a problem. Teens are going to have sex and a two year difference hardly counts as rape.

Was their behavior problematic, OF COURSE! But not ILLEGAL. As a matter of fact Georgia has a law for teenage sex that’s a misdemeanor.

They decided to try him with a law that was mean for child molestors. Inten of the law is as important as the law itself.

ALSO I’m going to have to defend the Oscar win. I am a movie buff and critic and if u understand anything about how the Oscar for best song works then u would understand why it won.

Hustle and Flow is a movie about a Pimp who is trying to do something else, get out of the life, find success, do better.

Music is his out and the song that won is the culmination of his efforts in the film. His “I did it” moment.

Take issue with movie but what kind of song do you think a Pimp is going to write?

And if you take issue with Hustle and Flow then you also need to take offense with Midnight Cowboy and Taxi Driver. Arguably two of the best movies ever made.

#20 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 2:54 pm

Mark Said…This is not a fair statement especially when you factor in Eddie Griffin putting his foot in D Hughleys but.

You know if I have to sit here an chronicle the exception to everything I say on this blog, I’ll never get to type anything for having to footnote every single sentence. You are worried about fairness and there appears to be an epidemic of foolishness besetting young Black girls and women.

Mark, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. If you make a videotape of a girl that is younger than 18, that is child pornography. Period. That is the law, you might not like it, but that is the law.

As a 17 year old boy who was supposed to be her “boyfriend” HA! He should have grabbed her up by the pony tail put her in the car and drove her home. 15 year old girls don’t have the judgment of a grown woman, hence the need for STATUTORY RAPE. There will always be some young girl looking for love and attention who will sacrifice her body in search of something that doesn’t exist. That is why the law is there. Running a train on an unconscious 17 year old makes you a rapist too. I don’t care who initiated what.

You can post as many comments as you want to, but that is not going to change my opinion. He’s a child rapist and pornographer who is lucky he doesn’t live in Texas because he would have been placed under the jail.

The blog is called What About Our Daughters? Not What about Everybody? If someone else was focusing on this, I wouldn’t need to bother blogging and I could go back to my old life. SO if that offends you then I understand, but I’mma keep rolling.

If something does not apply to you then take it in the spirit in which it was given and move on, or keep posting comments in disagreement, that is fine too.

#21 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 2:56 pm

In other words, I am not going to temper my outrage to pause to make people feel better about themselves. If it does not apply to you then it does not apply.

#22 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 2:58 pm

Here we go again… the old ” You can’t be offended about this because you aren’t offended about EVERYTHING!” argument.

I ain’t buying that one either.

It is amazing the disconnect between the men and women in the comments section. WOW. Just. WOW. I wouldn’t have believed it before now. Folks really don’t believe in Statutory Rape. No wonder folks are marching in the streets.

#23 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 5:17 pm

I guess I should have said that we ought to welcome the male perspective because if they didn’t speak up, we would have no way of knowing they felt this way. So keep posting brothers….. but you know we are going to disagree.

#24 roslynholcomb on 08.04.07 at 6:19 pm

“Sorry but if we’re going to criminalize teenage sex then we have a problem.”

This was not ‘teen sex.’ This was a gang bang, involving intoxicated underaged girls. Having sex with anyone who is drunk or otherwise incapacitated is rape, period.

This wasn’t a young couple in the throes of love. It in no way resembled Romeo and Juliet. This was a bunch of young men taking advantage of a young girl sexually who was under the statutory minimum to consent to sex. By definition that’s a crime. And this business of them changing the law. So what? Whoever the law was designed for, he most certainly fit the parameters of a sexual predator. What other type of young man videotapes himself participating in a gang bang? Was he perhaps planning on a career in porn? This was so not a misdemeanor its not even funny.

And we already have a problem. Its called reckless disregard for the health and wellbeing of black women and girls.

#25 Brother OMi on 08.04.07 at 6:55 pm

wow its sad. really sad
i am embarrassed by my brothers reaction to all of this. where are the brothers of the stick
i have stayed out of the Wilson case because i felt he should not have been defended. i felt what he did was wrong whether she consented or not. VIck is another story. personally, he deserves what comes to him. he and his brothers stay in trouble and are known to be troublemakers.

but i agree, we have spent too much time on Vick and his issues.

i would like to learn more about the west palm beach thing.

R Kelly should be beat.

#26 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 7:37 pm

Thank the Lord Brother OMI, I was beginning to think that it was a gender barrier. I was like OMG, I can’t believe that they don’t believe statutory rape is possible!

That was a frightening prospect.

#27 g-e-m2001 on 08.04.07 at 8:57 pm

Roslyn, I saw you on ABCNews.com!

#28 The Angry Independent on 08.04.07 at 9:28 pm

Just to make it clear, I have never defended Wilson. What was done to the 15 year old was wrong, illegal, and he should be punished..as well as anyone who aided and abetted in the abuse.
Wilson is a thug…pure and simple. I wouldn’t even allow my daughter to date him if I were a father in that situation. However, this is a case involving 2 minors…and it has to be dealt with responsibly by authorities (videotape or not). In the end I hope that the court will get it right. But he should definitely do some time IMO.

And as for R. Kelly, I have been yelling about that case for at least 4 years now. I see that he has a new trial date… he has had several trial dates….so I am not jumping for joy just yet. I will believe it when I actually see a trial starting. I have wondered whether he was influencing the court to keep getting rescheduled.

If I recall correctly, this guy was allowed by the court to go on at least 2 Concert Tours while his case was pending… and was allowed to make several recordings. Not to mention picking up his NAACP award (that organization has turned into an embarrassment… at least for me).

The idea that the so called “Black Community” came out, organized and rallied to the defense of a child rapist, but fails to make a whimper or to even show up regarding issues that really do deserve attention and protest… really reflects poorly on the image of “Black Americans” as a whole, regardless of what side you are on. It embarrasses the hell out of me…everytime something like that happens… even though I don’t identify with the “Black community” or with the popular culture and the values that it stands for.

#29 Bronze Trinity on 08.04.07 at 10:40 pm

I don’t know if you’re read this yet but that reporter who said Michael Vick having dog fights was worse than raping women has apologized. He has lost his gig on CBS-affiliate KDKA-TV. You can read it here on EurWeb

#30 Mystee on 08.05.07 at 1:35 am

This was my first time hearing about this case (Wilson-I guess I’ve been under a rock). I took the time to read about it on wikipedia, fox, and abc before commenting. I am a 30 year old black woman with much love for her people. And I must say I do not agree with the opinions of many of the women on this site regarding the Genarlow Wilson case. I think R Kelly is disgusting, and we need to stop buying and supporting his music. Anyone who has seen the tape knows that was clearly Kelly, and the girl was clearly underage. He needs to go to jail. However, Wilson’s case is different. And I find it a bit disturbing that people are lumping Wilson and Kelly into the same category. Regarding the sex with the 17 year old, Wilson may have been culpable in regards to rape if she was drunk(I have not seen the tape). However he was acqitted of that charge. So the issue is the conviction for the oral sex with the 15 year old. In my opinion, a 17 year old is not an adult. He is just as much a minor as the 15 year old. So if he is culpable, then so is she. Because they are both minors. When I was 15, I had a 17 year old boyfriend. Our relationship was nonsexual. However, if it had been sexual, I would not feel as if I had been victimized. Either way, the punishment is way too harsh. Obviously the Georgia courts found something wrong with the law, because they have changed it since his conviction. Athough it can’t be applied retroactively to his case. This is just my opinion. Thanks for reading.

#31 g-e-m2001 on 08.05.07 at 5:02 am

Mystee when you were 15, did your boyfriend uses you as a form of entertainment for he and his buddies? Did he stand by while you performed oral sex on his buddies and then come over to him and do the same to him while capturing it all on video tape? WOuld he have had sex with you in front of five friends?

This was not romeo and Juliet here. This was a group of older boys exploiting a 15 year old fool.

If that was her boyfriend, he would have yanked her up by the ponytail the moment she even thought about going down on one of his friends. Sorry, not buying the “this was just two regular kids in love”

We haven’t even talked about the drugs and alcohol. Did your boyfriend provide you with weed and booze too?

#32 g-e-m2001 on 08.05.07 at 5:03 am

THIS is why I never weighed in on Genarlow Wilson because I KNEW that the folks defending him and I would NEVER see eye to eye, but I guess the conversation / debate is a good one. to have because I am learning more and more about how some folks view the exploitation of Black women and girls everyday.

#33 Symphony on 08.05.07 at 5:47 am

The reporter from Pittsburgh is NOT the same reporter who was on Nancy Grace’s show. In my opinion, Paul Zeise was criticizing our society NOT saying dog fighting is worse than raping a woman. This is what he said:

“It’s really a sad day in this country when somehow … Michael Vick would have been better off raping a woman if you look at the outcry of what happened,” Zeise responded. “Had he done that, he probably would have been suspended for four games and he’d be back on the field. But because this has become a political issue, all of a sudden the commissioner has lost his stomach for it.”

I happen to agree that the outcry would not have been like this if he had been accused of rape. We would have heard “innocent until proven guilty” and “let the justice system play out” or “she just wants money” and “remember the Duke case”

#34 g-e-m2001 on 08.05.07 at 5:51 am

I know that. He is talking about anchor Larry Smith. I will change the link. I don’t want anybody else confused.

#35 Tracey on 08.05.07 at 5:44 pm

Why just focus on young black girls!!!! That is an CLEAR NO BRAINER!!! The very fact that men are on this site debating such an obvious problem makes clear how much DANGER black women and girls are in – not just from others in society, but in our own black community as well.

Yes, Black boys and men are being victimized – by the system, the government, etc – but they are not being systematically targeted for PHYSICAL and SEXUAL attacks by black women! I believe that Gina and she is welcome to correct me is focusing on black women and girls because WE are CATCHING HELL from both sides – from the system as well as our own men!!!!

Don Imus calls us nappy-headed hoes and D.L. Hughley does the same! Black men get upset over Monster’s Ball and The Color Purple, but black women are expected to be okay with Hustle and Flow? We should cheer a pimp “living his dream” as the expense the women he’s pimping out! Black folk are warped!!!

White men have raped and sexually abused black women and girls and now black men and BOYS are doing it too. Just the very fact that a grown ass man, married with children would be seeking sex with a pre-teen girl (R. Kelly) is disgusting, not to mention amoral.

Genarlow Wilson clearly needed a discussion or two about sexual responsbility and personal character! When he gets out of jail, what parent in their right mind would trust this numbskull out on a date with their daughter?

Young black boys running around in packs attacking a single black woman and her BLACK MALE child? How heart-breaking for us as black people. Should we starting encouraging packs of young black women to return the same ignorant and amoral actions? Will that kind of violent reaction make our black men feel for us just a little bit?

Gina is right – this is depressing! If black women complain about black men, we are bitches or we are black men haters. Black men show absolutely NO love or concern for us and we are supposed to be not only suportive, but SILENT! Black people are in real trouble!!!!

#36 g-e-m2001 on 08.05.07 at 6:29 pm

Preach Tracey Preach! They basically robbed all the fight out of me as I realized that they don’t even consider statutory rape a crime. I kept saying that what they were saying was scary. What I meant was that if this is a reflection of the thoughts of even a tiny portion of the Black male population, our daughters and granddaughters are up a creek. This trend of rapes of girls and women captured on tape and camera phones is only going to spread.

But yeah Tracey, I focus on Black girls and women because we catching hell from all sides. If the men on the board feel slighted, they can start a “What About Our Sons?” blog.

But I think the world is well versed in the plight of the young Black male. Black women sit on the sidelines and do nothing at our own peril.Imagine what this country is going to be like in 10 years?

Sisters the flood is coming, are you prepared? You better start building your boat today or find yourself up a creek!

#37 Mystee on 08.05.07 at 7:44 pm

g-e-m2001,
No my boyfriend, never did any of those things to me. Like I said, I was in a nonsexual relationship. However, if I’m not mistaken, his crime was the act itself, not the fact that he videotaped it. In other words he was not charged with producing and directing child pornography (unlike R Kelly). Please correct me if I’m wrong about this. So yes, his videotaping of these acts was distgusting and disturbing. But he was charged with the oral sex with a 15 year old minor. So that’s what the issue is. And regarding the alcohol and drugs, they were not forced on her. NONE of the kids in that motel room were old enough to be drinking alcohol or using drugs.These girls were not forced to use weed and booze. They made a choice to do so. We need to start handing out responsibility to young black women. It is not okay to give your body to every Tom, Dick or Harry. It is not okay to use drugs and drink alcohol. I was 15, 15 years ago. And there was sex, drugs, and alcohol. Lots of it. And I always chose not to partake in drugs and alcohol. And no guy could convince me otherwise. Also, promiscuity wasn’t seen as cute, so there was no way I would have been giving random guys oral sex. There is something terribly wrong with the morality of both male and female, black and white teens in America today. And that is the major issue here. Bringing self love, respect and pride back to our community. I just think viewing these issues so narrowly, and not looking at the deeper cause, further divides black men and women in this country. By the way, I currently live in West Palm Beach, and am very familiar with the case against the 3 boys charged with raping a 35 year old mother and forcing her son to have sex with her. This is a disturbing, horrible crime. And I believe the boys in question are worthy of the life sentences they are facing. I also feel that Michael Vick is culpable and should not be supported by black people, just because he is a black athlete. And I’ve already mentioned my feelings about the pedafile R Kelly. I however am able to see the differences in these four cases, whereas I think many people on this blog can not. Perhaps we just see things differently. However, I respect your opinion. And hope you will respect mine. Thanks again for taking the time to read my comment.

#38 g-e-m2001 on 08.05.07 at 7:56 pm

yeah Mystee we gon’ have to agree to disagree on the underage girls thing.

#39 Mystee on 08.05.07 at 8:17 pm

I would like to say one last thing. The sexual violation, abuse of black women, and/ or murder of black women is unacceptable and aggregious. And I am all for change. However, I’ve noticed on many blogs there’s alot of “attacking” and generalizing going on. If it’s not black men attacking and stereotyping black women as angry,rejecting “hoes”, it’s black women attacking and stereotyping black men as “violent predators.” I’m not saying we should ignore any of these issues. Many people in our community need help, and that’s a fact. But I think we have to find a way to deal with these issues without alienating and dividing each other. The state of affairs between black men and women has come to a very sad point. I’m truly very sad for us.

#40 g-e-m2001 on 08.05.07 at 8:42 pm

You know, I am getting really tired of cosseting folks feelings in this comments section. Point to me where I attacked black men wholesale on anything. yes I have made generalizations about Folks, but I have never launched a wholesale attack and I am trying to figure out HOW IN THE HELL speaking out about sexual violence against women and girls translates into a whoesale attack on Black men?

Take the post in the spirit they were given or move along. The blog is called WHAT ABOUT OUR DAUGHTERS not WHAT ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE!

If I wanted a general interest blog then I would not blog at all because everybody has a general interest blog, but very few focuss on these issues related to Black girls and women. SO YEAH, this is is a blog centered primarily on girls and women. Saying I care about one group does not mean that I don’t care about another it just means that this is the particular need I have decided to address in this way. I comment and participate in lots of blogs about a lot of subject matters, but black women and girls and their treatment is MY FOCUS for THIS BLOG. So now that we have that clear. Lets just stipulate that black men have issues too…. so why don’t you go blog about those issues so that everything can be even steven because heaven help us if I don’t write exactly 50% of the time about girls and women and 50% of the time about men and boys. Heaven help us if the fact is that the majority of crime committed against black folks of both genders is done by other black folks. So in the course of talking about crime or abuse of Black women, there is a serious possibility that one or more of ths suspects or perps will be o the same race.

NOw I realize that there are those who are gravely concerned about any rifts between Black men and Black women. But let me tell you right now, these posts about what happened in Florida, Georgia, and Illinois are not where that rift is going to be healed. We can talk about that later maybe next week, but as for now…. this is about my right to be indignant about what I think are horrific crimes without having to be politically correct or FAIR or cosset folks feelings.

When I hear your concerns about how things “look”, it just looks completely out of wack considering the gravity of what has happened. To me ( and I know I tend to be passionate) its like having your car engine explode, but you are worried about a scratch in the paint on the roof where nobody can see it. Or being on a plane that is about to crash and you asking the pilot to turn down the air because you are cold.

Maybe this will all look different in the morning, but saying something to the effect or ” these were horrible crimes, BUT X,Y,Z” just looks odd to me right now.

I am sure when I read these comments back in a week, all of this will look different to me, but we go with the flow around here.

Your comments are welcome, but don’t be surprised or offended if I disagree with you…. ALOT!

#41 g-e-m2001 on 08.05.07 at 8:51 pm

And another thing. Sitting quiet in order to keep the peace just ain’t viable anymore. We are fighting for our lives and our Daughter’s lives. Not pissing folks off really isn’t an effective battle plan. IF the status quo was so wonderful, we wouldn’t be blogging right now. Maybe we need to fight. Fight it out. Have some serious self criticism and debate. The Black community will survive publicly disagreeing with each other.
We really will. In fact, we might be better off instead of smiling and nodding so as not to step on folks toes.

Ha! and people accused me of trying to hid dirty laundry….. nothing could be further from the truth. But it all out there and let’s fight about it.

#42 Jolli on 08.06.07 at 2:06 am

i wonder after all that talking (writing) ya’ll just did…

did anyone from this blog comment section go on a killing spree in an effort to banish the evil from the land?

no?

interesting.

so…it is just talk

#43 Kara on 08.06.07 at 6:27 pm

The blog is called What About Our Daughters? Not What about Everybody? If someone else was focusing on this, I wouldn’t need to bother blogging and I could go back to my old life. SO if that offends you then I understand, but I’mma keep rolling.

Thank you Gina!

The disconnect is MIND-BOGGLING. These guys are so hellbent on protecting the black male image that our well-being (black women and girls) is ALWAYS besides the point for them. Stunning!

Why can’t the focus be on punishing these particular criminals (especially the Dunbar animals – yes, I said ANIMALS!! What would you call them if they did that to you and your mother?) instead of lessening their crimes in the name of protecting the sacred black male above black women at all times?

The very fact that men are on this site debating such an obvious problem makes clear how much DANGER black women and girls are in – not just from others in society, but in our own black community as well.

Exactly Tracey! If the so-called “good brothers” don’t think it’s a big deal (“it’s just teen sex”) we ARE in real danger – ESPECIALLY in the black community!

Yes, Black boys and men are being victimized – by the system, the government, etc – but they are not being systematically targeted for PHYSICAL and SEXUAL attacks by black women! I believe that Gina and she is welcome to correct me is focusing on black women and girls because WE are CATCHING HELL from both sides – from the system as well as our own men!!!!

Once again YES!!!!!!

Dear God, we’re being brutalized and it still goes back to poverty and racism – as if black women don’t deal with poverty and racism.

Gina is right – this is depressing! If black women complain about black men, we are bitches or we are black men haters. Black men show absolutely NO love or concern for us and we are supposed to be not only suportive, but SILENT! Black people are in real trouble!!!!

It is depressing. And the lack of love, concern and protection black women have from the black community that was BUILT ON BLACK WOMEN’S BACKS is a disgrace.

#44 Jolli on 08.09.07 at 9:26 am

people don’t care

not about what is important

what you are asking people to do is take time to find, inside of them, what is virtuous and what is a vice.

that kind of thinking drives folks to drug addiction. i’m not joking.

from the beginning of our lives, we are distracted. and this is why.

we are not supposed to see the up from the down. we are not supposed to live a just and righteous life. not even the God fearing.

but don’t worry. you keep on keeping on. one day the 5% that are not distracted, and not living in la la land, will fulfil God’s decree.

i think what you are doing helps to bring awareness to those who are open to such understanding…i also think it helps you feel like you are making a productive difference with you voice.

but its more like adding detergent to an ocean of sewage.

if you really wanna do something, its going to have to top the Devil’s plan.

you got something that can top the Devil’s plan? and remember, he’s got an army too

#45 Anonymous on 08.13.07 at 7:02 am

One thing that must be remembered about Genarlow Wilson is that he was not convicted of a felony for having sex with a minor. He was convicted under a sodomy law that has since been eliminated. Had he had intercourse only with the girl, he would have gotten a misdemeanor. If the exact same event happened today, it would be a misdemeanor because the sodomy law no longer exists.

Georgia law makes sex between a 15 year old and someone who is of the age of consent yet no more than two years older than the 15 year old a misdemeanor. What is desired by many is for the felony charge to be dropped. The misdemeanor charge involves a year in jail but with a clean record afterward and no registration as a sex offender. This seems adequate for Genarlo.

#46 black girl on 08.16.07 at 9:10 am

I’m sorry but the Dixon case Obama was referencing, I believe he has hit the nail on the head on that one. That was about racism. Lets not act like teenagers don’t have sex. Much less lets not forget that Dixon was Black and his so called girlfriend was white. They were in high school together, they dated, if you listen to her testimony its ridiculous. Its clear this is about the fact that she got caught with a Black boy and her racist father didn’t like that so to save her image of white purity this case ensued. Now I am never up for defending anything that looks like rape, but lets not forget the legacy of “rapes” the cult of white womanhood and black men in the south while we interrogate these crimes.

#47 Anonymous on 08.22.07 at 11:52 am

HONESTLY, i HAVE FELT THE NEED TO SAY THIS. THE ISSUES BEING DICUSSED SURROUND RACE, CLASS AND GENDER OR INTESECTIONALITY. AS A WOMAN WHO IS BLACK, I MUST LOOK AT GENDER ISSUES FIRST AND FOREMOST BEFORE I DISCUSS INTRARACIAL ISSUES. PATRIARCHY IS A HUGE ISSUE IN EVERY CASE OF RAPE, RACE IN MY OPINION IS NOT THE ISSUE BECAUSE THE VICTIMS AND OPPRESSORS WERE “BLACK”. CLASS IS NEXT. OF WHAT CLASS DID EACH BELONG TO? THESE FACTORS MUST BE CONSIDERED. THE ENVIORNMENT MUST BE DISECTED. THERE ARE SOOO MANY FACTORS. AS A BLACK WOMAN I HAVE TO TO SEE MYSELF AS A WOMAN FIRST AND BLACK LAST. BLACK WOMEN MUST COME TOGETHER THEN BLACK MEN THAT CARE MUST JOIN IN. BLACK WOMEN SHOULDN’T FEEL OBLIGATED TO HELP THE LATTER DURING THEIR TRIALS WHILE NOT RECEIVING HELP AS WELL. AND PLEASE NOTE SOMETHING … A SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION LIKE RACE DOES NOT MAKE ANYONE ALLIES. YOUR “FRIENDS” CAN BE YOUR FOES.

#48 Spinster on 08.29.08 at 8:09 pm

I posted the Dunbar Village on my 2 blogs (MySpace and another one) when it happened. Not only have I not seen any outrage about that incident, but I also have not seen any outrage about the young woman in West Virginia who was gang raped for a week (was it Megan Williams?). And I’m sure there are many more incidents like this out there, but Sharpton and Jackson and those other fake-ass activists/politicians and organizations haven’t made as much as a peep about them.